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Old January 31 2015, 01:53 PM   #1
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Seasons of War

The short film, Seasons of War, made to promote the War Doctor fanthology, has been released. It's short, just five minutes.

We see the War Doctor; and are given an account of the Time War, through the eyes of a Gallifreyan girl. (She has a connection to the Matt Smith era; I'm not going to spoil it, but you have to read the credits.)



My major quibble -- why are families on Gallifrey living like they're fourteenth-century peasants?
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Old January 31 2015, 02:06 PM   #2
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Ok, no idea about the connection with the girl....

But a nice little short, that's for sure.
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Old January 31 2015, 02:27 PM   #3
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Ok, no idea about the connection with the girl....

But a nice little short, that's for sure.
Okay...

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Old January 31 2015, 06:18 PM   #4
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Great short film. It made my heart break for the War Doctor who had to do things the other Doctors would have been afraid to do to save countless lives from destruction. Each act left a stain on his weary soul.
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Old January 31 2015, 11:58 PM   #5
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We see the War Doctor; and are given an account of the Time War, through the eyes of a Gallifreyan girl. (She has a connection to the Matt Smith era; I'm not going to spoil it, but you have to read the credits.)
I didn't even need to get to the credits, I had it figured out when I saw that guy's arm.
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Old February 1 2015, 06:37 AM   #6
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I'm starting to wish that we had gotten to see more of the War Doctor. His story seems like one that could have easily taken up a whole show by itself.
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Old February 1 2015, 03:59 PM   #7
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So, I must be the only one who doesn't want to see more of the Warrior?

(Or, for that matter, the only one who doesn't call him the War Doctor - a silly name, by design)
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Old February 1 2015, 04:17 PM   #8
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(Or, for that matter, the only one who doesn't call him the War Doctor - a silly name, by design)
No more sillier than the titles of The Deadly Assassin, The Ambassadors of Death, The Carnival of Monsters, The Green Death...shall I go on? Silly comes with the territory.
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Old February 1 2015, 04:22 PM   #9
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(Or, for that matter, the only one who doesn't call him the War Doctor - a silly name, by design)
No more sillier than the titles of The Deadly Assassin, The Ambassadors of Death, The Carnival of Monsters, The Green Death...shall I go on? Silly comes with the territory.
Those are episode titles. I was talking the official name given to the character narratively portrayed by John Hurt.
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Old February 1 2015, 05:08 PM   #10
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He was the version of the Doctor that fought in the war, and didn't count himself among his numbered incarnations. The War Doctor fits perfectly, at least for me. One of the plot points of Day of the Doctor was realizing that The War Doctor was always The Doctor, even if for awhile both himself and different incarnations didn't consider himself to be. So, he wasn't a warrior. He was The Doctor, fighting in a war. The War Doctor. That's my thinking on it, at least
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Old February 1 2015, 05:36 PM   #11
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Thus, Moffat's "when Tennant was saying, as the Doctor, in the second season finale that he, the Doctor, fought in the War, I thought it didn't sound right. How could the Doctor fight in any war for that matter?" reasoning is both false and condescending.

Besides, the Eighth specifically said "make a Warrior." And he was "Doctor no more," immediately after.
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Old February 1 2015, 06:35 PM   #12
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And yet in pretty much every scene to feature him in Day of the Doctor, Hurt's incarnation was every bit the Doctor. We didn't see him fight a war, and we barely saw any reflection of the war on Hurt's Doctor. We were just told his deeds were so bad that he stopped calling himself the Doctor... Only, apparently, by the on screen evidence of Day, he didn't. Everybody called him the Doctor, including the Time Lords. It's a nice concept, a nice idea, but one with no practical use.
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Old February 1 2015, 06:39 PM   #13
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(Or, for that matter, the only one who doesn't call him the War Doctor - a silly name, by design)
No more sillier than the titles of The Deadly Assassin, The Ambassadors of Death, The Carnival of Monsters, The Green Death...shall I go on? Silly comes with the territory.
Those are episode titles. I was talking the official name given to the character narratively portrayed by John Hurt.
I could be recalling incorrectly, but he was never actually called "The War Doctor" by anyone (including himself) in "The Day of the Doctor." Instead, the name comes from the closing credits, i.e. something only stated on screen as text, which ties back to my original point: they're all silly titles/names.
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Old February 1 2015, 06:47 PM   #14
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No more sillier than the titles of The Deadly Assassin, The Ambassadors of Death, The Carnival of Monsters, The Green Death...shall I go on? Silly comes with the territory.
Those are episode titles. I was talking the official name given to the character narratively portrayed by John Hurt.
I could be recalling incorrectly, but he was never actually called "The War Doctor" by anyone (including himself) in "The Day of the Doctor." Instead, the name comes from the closing credits, i.e. something only stated on screen as text, which ties back to my original point: they're all silly titles/names.
You're willingly splitting heirs. The title of the narrative is not equal to the name of the character. When Clara calls the Eleventh Doctor "the Eleventh Doctor", she's not referencing an episode called "The Eleventh Doctor", but she's calling him by his name, and the number of times he was the Doctor.

The fact of the matter is, the Doctor wasn't the Doctor by himself, and if asked, he never responded "I'm the Doctor." More than likely, he responded as "I'm a Warrior." or added "of sorts".

It just makes more sense to call him The Warrior, because thats what he was meant to be from the minute he regenerated.
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Re: Seasons of War

I think of Hurt's Doctor as the Doctor, which is the point of both "The Day of the Doctor" and Engines of War; his later incarnations may have rejected his memory to distance themselves from what they believe he did, but he's still the Doctor.

That's something that, in my opinion, Seasons of War gets wrong. The pitch document for the second anthology, for instance, stresses that he's not the Doctor and shouldn't be referred to as such. The story I pitched had an interesting approach to the terminology issue, but I've not heard anything, alas.

I generally only use the term "War Doctor" to make it clear which Doctor I'm talking about, same as I would use "the Camfield Doctor" or "the sixth Doctor" in instances where saying simply "the Doctor" would be unclear.

This, of course, raises an important question. Why and when did the ninth Doctor start referring to himself as "the Doctor" again? The post-regeneration period has a lot of interesting possibilities, and "The Day of the Doctor" poses questions that will probably never be answered.
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