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Old November 30 2010, 10:41 PM   #16
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Re: Xbox TV

ah, an adult discusion... sure.

then let's be honest. the 360 is a gaming console first and foremost. it can do other things too, but it's primary focus is playing games.

now if the games being released arent to your liking, fine. but in no way does that change the fact that the system plays games.

if we want to talk about first party games, then we should recognize that MS has never really had a strong first party presence. Halo was their one big first party title. MS is not Sony, nor are they Nintendo in terms of first party development. they tried back with the original xbox, and most of those titles fell flat. so instead they wrangle third parties into making games for them. a far easier, less risky approach (look at how well Rare has turned out)

so third party support... seems like there is plenty. plenty of games, plenty of support.

looking at your list above, most of those games started out this generation. let's not forget this generation is now about 6 years old, so for a game to have it's third iteration in 6 years, it's not too bad at all.

as for what the future holds for games on the 360. i predict there will be plenty of games. but because they are a ways out, and not being advertised right now (for very good reason, you dont want to stop people from buying games that just came out because of some game a year out). next year will see the next Call of Duty, another Bioshock, Gears 3... i am sure there are more.

and let's not forget kinect. just because the games dont interest you, doesnt mean the experience or the hardware are invalid.

my mocking post was mostly, to say "What more do you want?" because honestly, not much has changed over the years. sure the xbox is tapping into new things, but i still dont think it's at the expense of their actual production of games (given their history of console game production).
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Old November 30 2010, 11:29 PM   #17
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Just to be clear, I FULLY understand what M$ is trying to do, they are in business to make money and what better way to make Money then expanding your user base.
True, which is why I'm willing to trust that Microsoft will re-invest at least some of that money into further game development for the console. Branching out isn't just good business sense in order to wrangle a larger audience; it can also be good for creativity by publishing games that might otherwise not have happened. Take Alan Wake as an example. You didn't enjoy it, but at least it tried to be something a little different and stand out, right?

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the 360 is a gaming console first and foremost. it can do other things too, but it's primary focus is playing games.
Not from Microsoft's perspective, hence continuing efforts to branch outward from "simple" gaming.

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MS is not Sony, nor are they Nintendo in terms of first party development.
I think that's a good point. Despite five years of Xbox and five years of Xbox 360, Microsoft is still relatively new to video game consoles compared to Nintendo and Sony. Both of those companies have had a great deal more time to attract and invest in first-party developers than Microsoft has. As time goes on, I imagine Microsoft will continue working to minimize that disparity, but they may need extra revenue generated from new opportunities like the cable television idea and Kinect in order to do so.
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Old December 1 2010, 03:57 AM   #18
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i dont know the numbers, but i would guess it might be cheaper for MS to toss money at 3rd parties for exclusives than it would be to fund a first party studio. it's certainly safer. timed exclusive or dlc... if the game fails, not a huge loss.

i still say the focus of the 360 is on games. the extra stuff, is just that, extra. also, as the lifecycle of this generation goes on, MS probably thinks there needs to be more reason to attract non-gamers to the system. and if they get non-gamers, they can turn them into gamers. and that's alright with me. the more gamers the better.
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Old December 10 2010, 09:33 PM   #19
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I rest my case.

http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=24349
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Old December 10 2010, 09:52 PM   #20
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I don't follow when you say you "rest [your] case." The use of that phrase somehow implies that the linked article is evidence in support of your case, but I don't see how it is. Are 10* exclusives in one year somehow not enough for you? That seems a fairly reasonable number to me.

(* Really, it's going to be 9, since that list includes a hypothetical Halo 4. I consider it highly unlikely that 343 will release a game next year. Frank O'Connor is consistently talking about continuing DLC support for Reach, so I doubt they're going to split focus between Reach DLC and a new game.)
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Old December 11 2010, 12:06 AM   #21
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As you stated the Halo game has not been confirmed and I seriously doubt it will be out in 2011.

Then you have 5 Wii...OOPS, let me correct myself, 5 Kinect shovelware titles.

Codename D will probably not be out since we Know virtually nothing about it and it doesn't even have a name.

Codename: Kingdoms looks promising but again virtually nothing is out there on it except a live action Teaser trailer.

Xcom also looks promising but from everything I've read it is Xcom in title only and is going to be real hit or miss as to rather it's going to actually be good or not.

And then Gears 3 which will be the only hit of the bunch and the only one the has truly been confirmed.


So far the PS3 exclusives are

Uncharted 3
Resistance 3
Little big planet 2
Killzone 3
Socom 4
Motorstorm apocalyse
Sorcery
Yakuza 4
ico/SOTC collection
Infmaous 2
PS Move Heores
White knight chronicles 2
The last Guardian
Twisted metal


And unconfirmed so far are

Agent
Final Fantasy Versus 13
Metal Gear 5
Syphon Filter 5
Starhawk
Zone of the Enders 3
Sly 4

Surly you can see the differences in those two lists...

So as I've said, I rest my case, M$ is moving further away from it's core gamer roots and moving toward the generic casual gaming and TV watcher market.

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