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View Poll Results: Which should I watch? TNG or Enterprise?
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Old November 29 2010, 10:34 PM   #16
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Re: Which should I watch? TNG or Enterprise?

Is this a serious question?


Which should you watch?

One of the greatest and most popular sci-fi shows of all time, that re-launched Star Trek on TV, resulted in a film series, enabled Star Trek to become culturally popular for a while in a way it never had before. A mature, serious show that relied on smart writing and that could probably have gone on for as long as it wanted to? A show worthy of the legacy of TOS.


OR...


A show that was so unpopular it limped along for four seasons before becoming the first Trek since TOS to be cancelled. A show that relied on catsuits and tired plots. A show with an incompetent captain and a horribly conceived Vulcan character, and an ignored supporting cast. A show that ran Trek on TV into the ground.




When given the choice between an upscale gourmet restaurant and taco bell(assuming you're not paying) do you usually take a lot of time to consider the choice?
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Old November 30 2010, 01:02 PM   #17
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Re: Which should I watch? TNG or Enterprise?

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Is this a serious question?


Which should you watch?

One of the greatest and most popular sci-fi shows of all time, that re-launched Star Trek on TV, resulted in a film series, enabled Star Trek to become culturally popular for a while in a way it never had before. A mature, serious show that relied on smart writing and that could probably have gone on for as long as it wanted to? A show worthy of the legacy of TOS.


OR...


A show that was so unpopular it limped along for four seasons before becoming the first Trek since TOS to be cancelled. A show that relied on catsuits and tired plots. A show with an incompetent captain and a horribly conceived Vulcan character, and an ignored supporting cast. A show that ran Trek on TV into the ground.




When given the choice between an upscale gourmet restaurant and taco bell(assuming you're not paying) do you usually take a lot of time to consider the choice?
I love ENT, and so do a lot of other people. Different people have different tastes. I may not understand why other people don't like the same TV shows as I do, but I let them watch what they want to watch. You should do the same thing.

Some of your arguments apply to both TOS and ENT. Cancellation doesn't necessarily mean that the show is bad. Besides, you yourself admit that TOS was cancelled as well. And I have the impression that TOS wasn't all that popular at the time it was made either. Popularity is not the same thing as quality.
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Old November 30 2010, 03:34 PM   #18
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Re: Which should I watch? TNG or Enterprise?

This thread by its nature asked for comments on which show to watch. I was pointing out that it was a ridiculous "dilemma" to wonder which to watch. I don't get people who get offended by someone giving an opinion on a Star Trek message board-you didn't think you'd read other people's views when you came here?

Some of my post was tongue-in-cheek. I have watched most of Enterprise's run, and it does improve somewhat in its last two seasons, but I maintain that it's far below TNG-quality.

And while you're right that cancellations don't mean lack of quality, I'd point out that TOS was cancelled BEFORE Star Trek was a phenomenon, and after it became one it was a huge success in reruns, it spawned an animated series and six more films.

I don't think ENT will be in for the same post-initial cancellation success.
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Old November 30 2010, 04:03 PM   #19
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Re: Which should I watch? TNG or Enterprise?

TOS and TNG aired in a completely different tv envinroment than Ent - far less competition, far less market saturation.

If they were launched today, TOS, with its '60 effects and, in part, stories, would not last a season, while TNG, with its sub-par first two seasons, would not see a third.
Today, neither series would spawn anything close to the fanbase they created.

I already said it - the first two seasons of TNG are weaker then Ent's fist two seasons; and season 3 and 4 of Ent can compete with every TNG season you care to name.
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Old November 30 2010, 04:16 PM   #20
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I already said it - the first two seasons of TNG are weaker then Ent's fist two seasons; and season 3 and 4 of Ent can compete with every TNG season you care to name.
And...NO.


TNG is far superior tv show. Seasons 3-7 of TNG > anything Enterprise.

(And I sort of like Enterprise.)
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Old November 30 2010, 04:16 PM   #21
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Re: Which should I watch? TNG or Enterprise?

Why not start with TOS?
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Old November 30 2010, 04:17 PM   #22
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Re: Which should I watch? TNG or Enterprise?

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TOS and TNG aired in a completely different tv envinroment than Ent - far less competition, far less market saturation.

If they were launched today, TOS, with its '60 effects and, in part, stories, would not last a season, while TNG, with its sub-par first two seasons, would not see a third.
Today, neither series would spawn anything close to the fanbase they created.

I already said it - the first two seasons of TNG are weaker then Ent's fist two seasons; and season 3 and 4 of Ent can compete with every TNG season you care to name.
This.

We'll never know what ENT would have been like if it had 7 seasons. But if we compare only the first 4 seasons of both shows, they're pretty evenly matched. And yep, as bad as ENT S2 was, it's nowhere as bad as TNG season 1. Nothing in Trek is as bad as TNG season 1. And season 2 isn't much better. "Up the Long Ladder" may the worst Trek episode of all time - and its only rivals are some of the TNG S1 episodes ("Code of Honor", "Angel One", "The Last Outpost"...)

And you know, just like ENT had T'Pol in a catsuit... TNG had Troi in a bunny costume. So why is one bad and the other isn't? (Not to mention that T'Pol was IMO a much better character and never as useless as Troi, particularly early seasons Troi...)
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Old November 30 2010, 06:52 PM   #23
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Re: Which should I watch? TNG or Enterprise?

I like both but TNG has GREATLY improved my entire life.
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Old November 30 2010, 08:02 PM   #24
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Re: Which should I watch? TNG or Enterprise?

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TOS and TNG aired in a completely different tv envinroment than Ent - far less competition, far less market saturation.
But they were a far and away better product.

If they were launched today, TOS, with its '60 effects and, in part, stories, would not last a season, while TNG, with its sub-par first two seasons, would not see a third.
Today, neither series would spawn anything close to the fanbase they created.
Star Trek wouldn't launch today with 1960's effects, so that is a logical fallacy. Enterprise with it sub-par first two seasons did see a third... so saying that The Next Generation would be canceled after its' first two is another logical fallacy. Star Trek and Star Trek: The Next Generation are so different from anything on TV today it would be impossible to predict how they would perform and what type of fanbase they would garner.

I already said it - the first two seasons of TNG are weaker then Ent's fist two seasons; and season 3 and 4 of Ent can compete with every TNG season you care to name.
Doesn't it stand to reason that Enterprise would have a higher quality? I mean the production staff had only been making Star Trek for 21 seasons at the point that "Broken Bow" premiered. I'm disappointed that the quality of episodes dipped below "All Good Things..." with that much experience behind the camera.

I don't care what series you're a fan of, Star Trek: The Next Generation seasons 3,4 and 5 were not only good Star Trek... they were good TV.
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Old November 30 2010, 08:12 PM   #25
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Nothing in Trek is as bad as TNG season 1.
*cough* "Threshold" *cough*
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Old November 30 2010, 08:16 PM   #26
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Nothing in Trek is as bad as TNG season 1. And season 2 isn't much better.
I would rather watch Angel One and Justice for 24 hours straight than be subjected to Imaginary Friend, Rascals or Sub Rosa one more time.
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Old November 30 2010, 08:43 PM   #27
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Re: Which should I watch? TNG or Enterprise?

There are some individual episodes that are worse than TNG Season 1, but it's still easily the worst season of Trek.
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Old November 30 2010, 09:07 PM   #28
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There are some individual episodes that are worse than TNG Season 1, but it's still easily the worst season of Trek.
I picked the two episodes that most people consider the worst from season one. I, personally, don't find season 1 and 2 anywhere near as bad as some of the stuff produced by Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise. YMMV
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Old November 30 2010, 09:24 PM   #29
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Re: Which should I watch? TNG or Enterprise?

TNG takes a while to find its feet, and the first season has a stramge dated feel. It's like a return to the 1960s' visual style, but with a very 1980s makeover. It's probably only consistently good from season three onwards, but the first two are still well worth watching in order to see the show develop and lay the groundwork for ongoing storylines. Season two's Q Who is a pivotal episode.
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Old November 30 2010, 09:51 PM   #30
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I think seasons 1-2 of TNG get lumped together unfairly. Season 1 is often pretty awkward to watch, but season 2 doesn't have that feel at all. Plus it has episodes like "Q Who," "Time Squared" and "Measure of a Man." And it has the feel of the rest of TNG, with Geordi as chief engineer at that point, Guinan added to the crew, Riker's got the beard, etc. Only the Pulaski thing separates it from the "finished" feel that seasons 3-7 had. Otherwise season 2 TNG does not stick out like a sore thumb like season 1 does.


So yes, ENT seasons 3-4 may be marginally better overall than TNG season 1, but that's comparing the BEST seasons of the FIFTH show of a franchise that had twenty-six television seasons under its belt at that point to the WORST season of the first TREK series in eighteen years, one that was finding its way around. Not a flattering comparison for ENT.



But if you think ENT Seasons 3-4 stack up against TNG seasons 3-6 then.... I guess different tastes and all that, because that's kind of stunning to me.
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