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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

View Poll Results: Did Spock and Savvik have sex?
Yes, of course they did 105 64.81%
They very well might have done 38 23.46%
Don't know one way or the other 12 7.41%
Unlikely that they did 3 1.85%
No of course not 4 2.47%
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Old December 14 2013, 07:36 PM   #121
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

Is it more logical or fascinating?
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Old December 14 2013, 08:01 PM   #122
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

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What was Valeris's motivation in the novelization?
A lot of people are bigoted against races without having nearly the traumatic experience that Saavik went thru in STIII, whether David was her lover or not.
There's also a follow-up novel, Cast No Shadow by James Swallow, that gets into Valeris's issues with Klingons.

Without giving too much away, there was a traumatic incident in her childhood . . . .
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Old December 14 2013, 09:43 PM   #123
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I hate to admit it, but ... when I first saw this scene,
I laughed, out loud ...

First Spock we will put butter on my fingers and then...
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Old December 14 2013, 10:34 PM   #124
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

Two fingers?

That's usually how I do it too.
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Old December 15 2013, 03:30 AM   #125
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

^She was just getting started. That was step one of teaching him "The Spocker".

It starts with the Vulcan salute...
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Old December 15 2013, 11:06 AM   #126
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

The problem with it is that, yes, we know they're "supposed" to be aliens, but they are not "alien" enough to come across as anything but Human Beings doing this Finger Chain ... thing. If Vulcans were latex aliens maybe it would fly. And because we, the audience, linger in this scene, we see the conotations ... implications ... and some of them are damn funny!!! Unfortunately, Nimoy, as the co-inventor of Vulcans, could not take that point of view. To him, they were aliens and alien enough where this Fingering Scene would be nothing but fascinating to any audience.
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Old December 15 2013, 02:47 PM   #127
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I don't know if I found it fascinating, but I don't have a problem with it either. I knew enough even when I saw it the first time as a kid to get that this was Vulcan forplay.
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Old December 16 2013, 12:49 AM   #128
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

IIRC the 'finger foreplay' thing was established in TOS. "The Enterprise Incident" sees Spock and the Romulan Commander getting all touchy-feely with their fingers during a midnight interlude in her quarters, and before that we saw Sarek and Amanda doing it in front of everyone in "Journey To Babel"!
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Old December 16 2013, 12:54 AM   #129
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

Never saw it as "foreplay". Yeah okay, kissing is foreplay as well. Just the Vulcan way of showing affection, and possibly more than that, but it doesn't have to end in sex. Remember, the mind meld works using hands.


I really disliked it that they didn't do it in Abramstrek between Uhura and Spock. But apparently, audiences would have been too stupid to understand it. Because audiences in the 60s and 80s were smarter. Yeah right.
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Old December 16 2013, 01:01 AM   #130
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People understood intimacy better in the 60s and 80s. All the audiences of today understand is 'sex', and nothing else.
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Old December 16 2013, 01:03 AM   #131
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People understood intimacy better in the 60s and 80s. All the audiences of today understand is 'sex', and nothing else.
I don't agree with that. That's what Hollywood thinks people understand, but they are wrong.
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Old December 16 2013, 01:10 AM   #132
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It is very suspect of Hollywood. They tend to lead the charge on pop-culture, but they don't understand the basics of human behaviour. Something like Love Story could never be made by today's Hollywood. The onset of romantic comedy has meant that true, human romantic interaction in the movies has just become broad strokes. Today it's all about home base rather than first, second and third.

Hollywood of years past still knew how to write this stuff properly.
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Old December 16 2013, 01:28 AM   #133
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Ok, to clarify, I think the figure touching is something along the lines of kissing. It can end in sex and be part of that, but it doesn't have to go all the way. It seems like a really intimate thing you wouldn't just do with anybody. I doubt Sarek was touching fingers with anybody but Amanda in the TOS and movie era.
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Old December 24 2013, 11:35 PM   #134
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

My DVD of ST III has an interview with the guy who played Spock at 17 (Stephen Manley), and he says that his character and Saavik had sex. He seems pretty enthusiastic about it, actually, for a guy who only got to rub fingers with his costar. :-)
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Old December 25 2013, 02:00 AM   #135
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^ Robin Curtis says the same thing.
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