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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

View Poll Results: Did Spock and Savvik have sex?
Yes, of course they did 105 64.81%
They very well might have done 38 23.46%
Don't know one way or the other 12 7.41%
Unlikely that they did 3 1.85%
No of course not 4 2.47%
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Old December 22 2010, 05:39 AM   #61
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

I put 'I don't know' and it's telling that until I read this thread it never even crossed my mind that there was a possibility of them having sex. I thought she somehow calmed him down with her mind and the finger trick- I guess I really wasn't fully aware of Pon Farr and what that meant when I last saw TSFS. So, what, EVERY 14-yr-old Vulcan has to do it? With whom, normally? Other 14-yr-old Vulcans?
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Old December 30 2010, 02:14 PM   #62
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Why did the protomatter that destroyed the Genesis planet not ultimately destroy the recreated Spock is another question?
Spock's fureral torpedo arrived on the surface late in the Genisis process, Spock's actual corpse was rejuvenated and not reorganized with protomatter.

When the planet lost, what (cohesion?), the same thing didn't happen to Spock two point oh.
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Old December 30 2010, 11:04 PM   #63
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Having sex with Saavik is always the logical course of action.
What Cookie Monster said!

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Old January 1 2011, 04:36 AM   #64
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Old January 3 2011, 03:47 AM   #65
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

I was under the impression that Pon Farr was a result of the suppression of emotion, so the fact that an accelerated-growth non-disciplined Vulcan would undergo Pon Farr never felt right to me.

If Pon Farr occurs regardless of the 'bottling up' of emotions, then that means Romulans should experience it as well (nothing says they don't, of course).
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Old January 3 2011, 09:11 PM   #66
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I never felt that the "bottling up of emotions" had anything to do with pon farr itself, rather the non-emotional thing made it harder for Vulcans to deal with pon farr as a part of their societal philosophy.

While reserved, the Vulcans, as resently as ENT, didn't as a species wide culture embrace the teachings of Surak, but they apparently still experienced pon farr.

Every seventh year Vulcans go into heat, that's straight forward biology. Everything beyond that is culture and ritual.
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Old January 8 2011, 09:35 PM   #67
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^ yeah. What T'Girl said
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Old January 10 2011, 04:51 AM   #68
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So, the Romulans experience pon farr as well?
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Old January 13 2011, 11:38 PM   #69
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So, the Romulans experience pon farr as well?
I guess so
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Old January 14 2011, 06:08 PM   #70
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I put 'I don't know' and it's telling that until I read this thread it never even crossed my mind that there was a possibility of them having sex. I thought she somehow calmed him down with her mind and the finger trick.
Same here. The argument seems sound, but when I watched that film for the first few times I didn't get the idea that they had sex.
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Old January 14 2011, 06:51 PM   #71
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So, the Romulans experience pon farr as well?
There's never been any indication that they did. I always thought that pon farr was an emotional release due to everything being bottled up (like the Red Hour from "The Return of the Archons"). Romulans don't repress anything, so they would have no need for it.
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Old January 14 2011, 07:34 PM   #72
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That's the impression I got as well, but if that's the case, Young Spock wouldn't have gone through Pon Farr on Genesis. Oh well.
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Old December 3 2013, 10:04 PM   #73
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The key to Pon farr is in what Saavik says to David in the film:
SAAVIK: It will be hardest on Spock. Soon he will feel the burning of his Vulcan blood.
DAVID: But, I don't understand.
SAAVIK: Pon farr. Vulcan males must endure it every seven years of their adult life.

Pon farr occurs in every seventh ADULT year. You have to calculate from when they reach maturity, after which it occurs in seven-year cycles. The age of maturity has been suggested to be late teens to around the early twenties in some quarters. However, if you look at the cast listing for Search for Spock, the Spock going through Pon farr is listed as being 17 years old (Spock Age 17), the other ages being 9, 13 and 25 before he ages to Nimoy Spock.

I think it's obvious that Spock and Saavik mated on Genesis. It was the only logical course of action in the circumstances. There are, after all only three options open to Vulcans to end Pon farr:

1. Take a mate
2. Participate in a kal-if-fee
3. Engage in intensive meditation

Spock could not engage in kal-if-fee as the circumstances were not right. He could not engage in intensive meditation as his mind was melded with McCoy's:

KIRK: What about his mind?
McCOY: His mind's a void. It seems, Admiral, that I've got all his marbles

The only option to prevent death, therefore, was mating and the only person to mate with was Saavik.

I would have liked the few lines confirming a pregnancy to have been included in Voyage Home as I feel it would have given better closure for Saavik's character and would have made the scene with Saavik and Amanda standing side-by-side more moving and poignant. As it is, it has all been left open to interpretation and debate.

I wonder what they will do in the reboot - will there be a Saavik written in at all in the future? Will they explore Saavik’s childhood as the reboots are set many years before the events of the original films? Will we see Spock finding and helping this poor abandoned child and turning her into his protege? What would be the implications for his new relationships? Or will we end up losing Saavik completely?
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Old December 3 2013, 10:19 PM   #74
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

Wow, this thread has a thick layer of dust on it. You might notice that the last post was almost 3 years ago.
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Old December 3 2013, 10:48 PM   #75
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Wow, this thread has a thick layer of dust on it. You might notice that the last post was almost 3 years ago.
Didn't realise that threads were timebound

I watched it on TV the other night, found this thread and thought I'd comment. Perhaps the thread is due a little bit of a bump to the top of the listing
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