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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

View Poll Results: Did Spock and Savvik have sex?
Yes, of course they did 105 64.81%
They very well might have done 38 23.46%
Don't know one way or the other 12 7.41%
Unlikely that they did 3 1.85%
No of course not 4 2.47%
Voters: 162. You may not vote on this poll

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Old December 10 2010, 01:03 PM   #46
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

I suspect in the scene that we witness she may be be establishing the psychic link that is something between a betrothal and a marriage. Although he was aging so fast he could have well reached the physical age of his first pon farr in minutes, and then again in a few minutes more, and so on... so hell yeah they did it, but how many times did they do it?

It was always intended that Saavik had feelings for Spock: the way she reacted to Spock's fake death in STII and later on to his real death were evidence of this but it was subsumed when they made her far less emotional in the sequels, which was a real shame.

Saavik's canon age is a bit vague too. Just because she is an inexperienced junior officer doesn't mean she has to be very young (Tuvok was a 100 year old lieutenant). Alley was 30 or 31, while Spock was only about 53, which isn't that old for a Vulcan. They were both much older by the time they married if an adult Picard was present at their wedding (which is more than can be said for Woody Allen).
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Old December 10 2010, 03:24 PM   #47
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They were both much older by the time they married if an adult Picard was present at their wedding (which is more than can be said for Woody Allen).
Captain Picard was at Woody Allen's wedding?! I.. did.. not.. know that!
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Old December 10 2010, 04:24 PM   #48
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

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They were both much older by the time they married if an adult Picard was present at their wedding (which is more than can be said for Woody Allen).
Captain Picard was at Woody Allen's wedding?! I.. did.. not.. know that!
The temporal police never take direct action when there's a free buffet available. Remember Douglas' Adams famous quotation: 'Time is relative, lunchtime doubly so.'
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Old December 10 2010, 04:24 PM   #49
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

Spock shagged Kirstie Alley so hard that she turned into Robin Curtis.
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Old December 11 2010, 08:48 AM   #50
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Spock shagged Kirstie Alley so hard that she turned into Robin Curtis.
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Old December 11 2010, 10:40 AM   #51
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

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They were both much older by the time they married if an adult Picard was present at their wedding (which is more than can be said for Woody Allen).
Captain Picard was at Woody Allen's wedding?! I.. did.. not.. know that!
The temporal police never take direct action when there's a free buffet available. Remember Douglas' Adams famous quotation: 'Time is relative, lunchtime doubly so.'
The quote is 'Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubley so'. but whatever
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Old December 13 2010, 10:44 AM   #52
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

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Captain Picard was at Woody Allen's wedding?! I.. did.. not.. know that!
The temporal police never take direct action when there's a free buffet available. Remember Douglas' Adams famous quotation: 'Time is relative, lunchtime doubly so.'
The quote is 'Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubley so'. but whatever
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Old December 13 2010, 11:00 AM   #53
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It seems pretty common sense that they had sex. They get all close and intimate, Saavik's eyes dilate, she starts panting, Spock looks scared and confused and excited all at the same time, they do that weird thing with their hands... and cut to a different scene.
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Old December 14 2010, 02:47 AM   #54
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You should've made the poll a public one so we could see the 4 nincompoops who voted "no of course they didn't" and "unlikely".
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Old December 14 2010, 03:30 AM   #55
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

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That was a horrible, horrible thing. Especially after reading The Pandora Principle, or the very similar DC comics' Saavik origin story.
About 80 years after being teacher and pupil, and both without romantic partners in all that time in between, they decided it was... logical to become partners rather than remain alone.
Vulcan's Heart (my favorite Trek novel of all time, BTW) made a very convincing case as to the sincerity of Spock and Saavik's relationship. I haven't read TPP or the DC Comics stories, but VH portrayed them as being very much in love. (FWIW, as VH depicted it, Picard was a very green junior officer, probably no more than 20, when he was present at the betrothal.)
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Old December 16 2010, 01:09 AM   #56
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Vulcan's Heart (my favorite Trek novel of all time, BTW) made a very convincing case as to the sincerity of Spock and Saavik's relationship. I haven't read TPP or the DC Comics stories, but VH portrayed them as being very much in love.
My problem is, I read the Pandora Principle before Vulcan's Heart. In the former, Spock is Saavik's father figure... the latter felt like ew after that.
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Old December 16 2010, 01:27 AM   #57
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Vulcan's Heart (my favorite Trek novel of all time, BTW) made a very convincing case as to the sincerity of Spock and Saavik's relationship. I haven't read TPP or the DC Comics stories, but VH portrayed them as being very much in love.
My problem is, I read the Pandora Principle before Vulcan's Heart. In the former, Spock is Saavik's father figure... the latter felt like ew after that.
Same here, and very much agreed. Even though Vulcan's Heart specifically contradicts The Pandora Principle by saying that Spock and Saavik only met just prior to STII, it was nasty to read about them lusting for each other.
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Old December 20 2010, 07:26 PM   #58
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I always took it for granted that when they were stuck on the Genisis planet and teenage Spock was undergoing the Pon-Farr and Kirk's son goes off to fight the Klingons that Savvik had sex with Spock. Does anyone doubt this?

Spock did NOT have sex with Saavik in TSFS. His body did though. Spock wasn't home at the time he was stuck in McCoy's head. I'm not sure who had more fun. Spock's Body because he got to dick Saavik or Spock's Brain because he got to dick around with McCoy... Spock's Body. Definitely Spock's Body.
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Old December 21 2010, 06:18 AM   #59
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Spock did NOT have sex with Saavik in TSFS. His body did though. Spock wasn't home at the time he was stuck in McCoy's head. I'm not sure who had more fun. Spock's Body because he got to dick Saavik or Spock's Brain because he got to dick around with McCoy... Spock's Body. Definitely Spock's Body.
I see what you're trying to say here, but Spock's katra was merged with the katra of the regenerated Spock, it didn't overwrite it. So Spock may recall his experiences on the genesis planet as part of the merging, even if his katra was not one at the time.

Why did the protomatter that destroyed the Genesis planet not ultimately destroy the recreated Spock is another question?
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Old December 21 2010, 08:27 AM   #60
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Re: Did Spock have sex with Savvik in Star Trek 3?

I voted that they did. Far as I was concerned when I first watched the movie...and knew about Vulcan tradition...she would basically have to submit to him to save his life. (Yeah not like that was a hardship...he was pretty cute then) And when she stayed on Vulcan at the end of SFS...that she was pregnant and chose to stay.
I doubt Spock remembered right away what transpired between them. He barely remembered the crew...his friend, Jim.
Now, later after his marbles were in line, that was a whole different matter and I am sure that is where 'Vulcan Heart' comes in.
It has been many years since I read the book. Perhaps a refresher is in order. Hmmm.
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