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Old June 9 2012, 01:34 AM   #31
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Re: Earth Final Conflict - Was It Ever Good?

The series was brain-dead after the first year, a total waste.
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Old June 9 2012, 06:54 AM   #32
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Re: Earth Final Conflict - Was It Ever Good?

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The series was brain-dead after the first year, a total waste.
No kidden!!! What happened? I really liked where they were going until they essentially killed off Boone at the end of The first season.
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Old June 9 2012, 10:37 PM   #33
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I think the first season it greatly overrated and the show did get better until the final season when it appeared as though they ran out of money. But the real failure of the series is that didn't really live up or really explain it's title, so it's really a hard show to explain to somebody who's never seen it.
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Old June 10 2012, 03:07 PM   #34
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After they killed off Boone. I watched one or two episodes. They sucked and sucked hard. It appeared they had no idea what the hell the show was about. If they don't know, how the crap are we supposed to follow it or care to?
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Old June 10 2012, 10:03 PM   #35
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I think I stopped watching at some point midway though season 3 as honestly, I just lost interest in the characters and the overarching plot made increasing less sense. I caught the odd episode later on down the line, even a few of the very last ones and nothing I saw made me regret ditching the show.

It was never a *great* show, but at least in the first season it was *good* with the promise and potential to get better. Unfortunately that all got squandered. Partly because of the revolving door cast, but mainly because the quality of writing became more and more dumbed down.

What I really liked about the show in the beginning was the pervasive sense of moral ambiguity. There were no real villains or heroes and everything was just a shade of grey. Did Da'an really care as much about humanity as he appeared to, or did the Talons have an ulterior motive? Was Doors motivated by a genuine desire to protect Earth from the sneaky aliens, or was he just out to use their presence as a means to acquire power and influence?

Sandoval is perhaps the best example of how the characterisations deteriorated; early on he's played as very much the straight shooter. A little uptight, a touch amoral perhaps and loyal to the Talons (as if they thing in his head gave him a choice) but he was a fairly well fleshed out character. You may not always like or agree with him, but you understood his motivations and got what he was about.

As time when on though, all that depth and ambiguity melted away until at the end he was such a cartoonish parody of his former self that if he'd had a moustache, you can bet he'd be twirling the hell out of it.

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Old June 11 2012, 12:07 AM   #36
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What I really liked about the show in the beginning was the pervasive sense of moral ambiguity. There were no real villains or heroes and everything was just a shade of grey. Did Da'an really care as much about humanity as he appeared to, or did the Talons have an ulterior motive? Was Doors motivated by a genuine desire to protect Earth from the sneaky aliens, or was he just out to use their presence as a means to acquire power and influence?
I completely agree. I loved how the first season kept me guessing week after week. The only characters I trusted completely were Boone and Lili. I hated Zo'or when he showed up, because he was such a clear "eeevil villain". With Da'an, there was an apparent genuine desire to understand humanity, but there always seemed to be a second, less benevolent motive lurking behind his actions.

The killing off of Boone's character was my first time losing a TV character I loved that way. I was SO angry, because as far as I was concerned, Boone WAS the show. I'm sure my hatred of Liam was informed by my loss of Boone, but I really thought he was stupid and made no sense. I didn't buy how he got there at all, much less how he was suddenly a grown man with knowledge and powers blah-blah-blah. And then he invited Da'an to the Resistance's headquarters, and my head exploded.

I managed to stick it out until they killed off Beckett. After that it was hit and miss for me, mostly miss. I came back for season 5 to point and laugh, and even then it was more cringe and groan.

I love Season 1. I might be willing to watch the rest if they show up on Netflix or something. But at the time, the betrayal I felt was very strong. It's funny how these things can have such an effect on you.
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Old April 9 2015, 04:07 PM   #37
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Here it is 2015, and I'm watching EARTH FINAL CONFLICT for the first time. I had never heard of it before!!

I have just completed watching seasons 1, 2, and 3. I started watching season 4 last night. Every night, I watch a couple of episodes.

I am enjoying, but I see many inconsistencies. Too many writers seem to be going in too many directions. I am intrigued with the character Da'an. At first, Da'an was "all good", but now there's gray. It's strange to me when people refer to Da'an as "he", because Da'an seems to me to be an ultimate mother figure, for some reason.

QUESTIONS:

If the Taelons have no emotions, why is Zo'or frequently angry? I've seen Da'an raise his voice at Liam, too.

If the Taelons rudely conquered the poor little Skrills, how come the Skrills then made humans loyal to their conquerors?

How do the Taelons reproduce, if there's no male or female?

How come Jonathan Doors never smiles?

How come the Commonality doesn't kick Zo'or's nasty butt out? He's barbaric. Can't they see/feel/sense this?

When the Taelon volunteers jab a thick pen-sized instrument into humans' stomachs to produce Kryss, how come the humans don't need a month or more to heal from this? I would. Ouch!

Why don't Da'an and Liam kiss and make up? They're both good people.
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Old April 9 2015, 04:25 PM   #38
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Excellent post, Wormhole. You and I are minorities in that we both prefer Liam to Boone. Boone was good, but a little blah. I did like how Da'an was teaching Boone the Taelon alphabet in season 1. I liked Liam's spunk, and Liam was more colorful than Boone.

Season 1 seemed more "realistic", where one could imagine aliens coming to our world, and how would we react. Seasons 2 and 3 got a little Hollywood and full of fantasy. I just started watching Season 4 last night.
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Old April 9 2015, 04:29 PM   #39
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I'm sure I've already said this but it went downhill after S1.
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Old April 9 2015, 05:50 PM   #40
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It's strange to me when people refer to Da'an as "he", because Da'an seems to me to be an ultimate mother figure, for some reason.
Although all the Taelons are genderless (and are played by women) they are all uniformly referred to as "he" anyway. I think it's in the pilot episode they explain that although "he" is still inaccurate, but is allowed for convenience.

If the Taelons rudely conquered the poor little Skrills, how come the Skrills then made humans loyal to their conquerors?
The skrills themselves don't influence their human hosts. The CVI does that, which although required to operate a skrill, is otherwise not related to them.

How do the Taelons reproduce, if there's no male or female?
Keep watching, that's a plot point in season 4.

How come Jonathan Doors never smiles?
He's probably an unhappy guy.

How come the Commonality doesn't kick Zo'or's nasty butt out? He's barbaric. Can't they see/feel/sense this?
Zo'or regularly schemes his evil plots on the mothership's bridge in front of those Taelons sitting in the domes, who don't seem to care. Or serve much of a purpose, really.
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Old April 10 2015, 03:40 AM   #41
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i don;t know how i missed this...other than we've had several thread son this (and i'm too lazy to look & link).

For the new viewer...i would say this about season 4...to me, at the time, it felt like they were headed back to season 1 in terms of quality and storyline.

The 1st half of season was basically every sci-fi cliche (from parallel universes to time travel to quick growing alien babies)

Pretend that season 5 is a bad dream...or realize it's Tribune trying to get its money for syndication (kinda like the reasoning to re-make Spiderman with Andrew Garfield after 3 successful movies)
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Old April 10 2015, 07:39 PM   #42
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I think the first season it greatly overrated and the show did get better until the final season when it appeared as though they ran out of money. But the real failure of the series is that didn't really live up or really explain it's title, so it's really a hard show to explain to somebody who's never seen it.
I think E:FC suffered along with Andromeda too much network interferrence.
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Old April 10 2015, 08:04 PM   #43
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I think the first season it greatly overrated and the show did get better until the final season when it appeared as though they ran out of money. But the real failure of the series is that didn't really live up or really explain it's title, so it's really a hard show to explain to somebody who's never seen it.
I think E:FC suffered along with Andromeda too much network interferrence.
Definitely the network influence really hurt them both , especially that second season, and really for both most especially the 5th season.


First season i think some of us give it a lot of grace, and they're still feeling things out, but i think the SUPPORTING characters were great, like Augur and Sandoval, and some truly creative concepts like the Skrill, virtual glass and the Global (which is pretty to close to the modern day cell phone...how far away are we from a collapsable screen?)
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Old April 16 2015, 05:42 AM   #44
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Thank you, Wormhole, for answering my questions.

Season 1 seemed to be more of a commentary on the human race, as seen thru the eyes of an alien race. This was more Gene Roddenberry's style. Then, Seasons 2, 3, and 4 got to be a bit more "bang-bang!" (or laser beam, laser beam) and cowboy style, relying on Hollywood-action instead of cerebral ideas or character development, which was indicative of Roddenberry. The characters became flat. For example, there was duality with Sandoval early on, where he showed insecurity, jealousy over Boone, and fear at times, then he became "all evil", like Zo'or. They do show a torn and troubled soul with Da'an, where he fluctuates between trying to do what is right vs. using humans for Taelons' gains, so I find his character interesting.

Youtube has all 5 series. If anyone would like, I can supply the link.
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Old April 16 2015, 03:44 PM   #45
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Thank you, Wormhole, for answering my questions.

Season 1 seemed to be more of a commentary on the human race, as seen thru the eyes of an alien race. This was more Gene Roddenberry's style. Then, Seasons 2, 3, and 4 got to be a bit more "bang-bang!" (or laser beam, laser beam) and cowboy style, relying on Hollywood-action instead of cerebral ideas or character development, which was indicative of Roddenberry. The characters became flat. For example, there was duality with Sandoval early on, where he showed insecurity, jealousy over Boone, and fear at times, then he became "all evil", like Zo'or. They do show a torn and troubled soul with Da'an, where he fluctuates between trying to do what is right vs. using humans for Taelons' gains, so I find his character interesting.

Youtube has all 5 series. If anyone would like, I can supply the link.
I enjoyed most of S1 - S4, and I liked Liam and Rene more than Boone and Lily. S5, I see what they were going for, and it was a bold "out of the frying pn into the fire" move, but, it was truly awful. It could've been a masterpiece though, if it was done well.
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