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Old November 23 2010, 06:21 PM   #76
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Christ, you can't people out into the streets during one of the worst recessions in history and yet they'd turn out for this.
Plenty of people have taken to the streets in protest in this recession.
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Old November 23 2010, 06:56 PM   #77
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To those calling me an immature fanboy for my boycott/protest rant, I was trying to make a point with a bit of hyperbole. I don't expect any of that to happen and I know that if it did, it wouldn't make much of a difference (and as someone pointed out, probably gain publicity for the movie, if anything), but I maintain that making this movie without Joss Whedon is blasphemy.

I read up a bit on the writer - this 29 year old woman with no previous writing credits. She is quoted as saying she's a fan of the show, as she used to watch it in college, and is excited about rebooting it for modern times. I tried to understand how someone who claims to be a fan of this show could be anxious to bastardize it as a franchise.

I figure it's kind of like John Logan with "Star Trek: Nemesis". Here's a guy who claims to be a fan of the franchise (even specifically identifying his favourite episode as "Balance of Terror" and his favourite alien species as Romulan) who still wrote a travesty of a movie for it. I imagine this turning into a similar debacle.

Sometimes a self-proclaimed 'fan' is the worst person you can give stake (that pun was totally spontaneous ) in a franchise. Sometimes the people who call themselves fans of something are the most deluded about what it needs for its legacy to be honoured. Everywhere I've seen this story, there are endless comments from Whedon fans under the article, and they all say the same thing - without Whedon involved, this is bullshit. This makes me happy.

And to all the people saying they don't care or never watched the show because of its title - that's the same unfair, closed-minded reason why this ridiculously award-worthy show never won any Emmy or Golden Globe awards for acting and only won for writing once (and also why no Star Trek shows ever won for anything but make-up or special effects). Don't judge a book by its cover.

I always say that it seems like most people have some show they grew up watching as a teen that they could relate to because of the way it dealt with teenage issues. For some, it's "Beverly Hills 90210" or "Dawson's Creek". "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" was THE coming-of-age show for me. All the supernatural mumbo jumbo that the title implies was not the main appeal to me.

I got used to it, and sometimes I liked it a lot, but the main attraction was its insight and empathy towards the teenage/young adult experience. I was so into that, I even forgot about all the supernatural stuff sometimes. I'm not sick about this as my original hyperbolic statement suggests, but it just saddens me to think something I care about so much could have such a poor product share its name. Surely that must be understandable to some here.

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Old November 23 2010, 07:26 PM   #78
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I read up a bit on the writer - this 29 year old woman with no previous writing credits. She is quoted as saying she's a fan of the show, as she used to watch it in college, and is excited about rebooting it for modern times. I tried to understand how someone who claims to be a fan of this show could be anxious to bastardize it as a franchise.
She is a twenty-nine year old actor whom you've never heard of, which means that her career window is closing...yesterday. Fronting for this production is her last shot.
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Old November 23 2010, 07:39 PM   #79
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Yes, fans are awaiting the character's return. But they want her to be played by SMG, saying lines written by Whedon
I just imagined a Firefly reboot without Nathan Fillion, not written by Joss Whedon. I think I'm going to be sick.
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Old November 23 2010, 07:44 PM   #80
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One supposes that Whedon could go ahead with his own counter-revival in some other medium if he had a mind to - which it doesn't seem that he does. He's got the comics, right?
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Old November 23 2010, 07:47 PM   #81
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I don't know. Wasn't there some sort of rights issue preventing him from doing the Ripper TV movie for BBC?
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Old November 23 2010, 07:57 PM   #82
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One supposes that Whedon could go ahead with his own counter-revival in some other medium if he had a mind to - which it doesn't seem that he does. He's got the comics, right?

Which I guess they make money off as well? I guess they would love him to make anything with buffy on the front as that's money in the bank for them.
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Old November 23 2010, 08:01 PM   #83
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Whedon doesn't control the TV rights outright. He may own a piece of the TV rights, but he can't shop the property around. Fox TV owns the TV rights and anything Whedon did in the medium in terms of a Buffyverse continuation would have to be under Fox TV's auspices.
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Old November 23 2010, 08:27 PM   #84
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I don't know. Wasn't there some sort of rights issue preventing him from doing the Ripper TV movie for BBC?
According to the most recent interview regarding the Ripper proposal that I can find, it does sound like a complicated rights situation with Fox TV, the Kuzuis, the BBC, and so on.
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Old November 23 2010, 09:09 PM   #85
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It's funny that the Wizard of Oz remake is pointless if they copy the 39 film but BTVS is pointless unless SMG and Joss are involved.
Well, I personally think a remake of TWOO is pointless. But at least, as has been pointed out, the original is 70 years old and an update can maybe be justified on technical grounds. Plus it's based on a novel to begin with, so it wouldn't just be a remake, it would be another adaptation of the novel.

Frank L Baum and the makers of the original movie are all long dead, so the makers of this movie cant' involve them, no matter how much they want. Joss Whedon and crew are all very much alive, thankfully, and it seems totally disrespectful - not to mention plain dumb - to me to revive the franchise without their involvement.
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Old November 24 2010, 01:31 AM   #86
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And to all the people saying they don't care or never watched the show because of its title - that's the same unfair, closed-minded reason why this ridiculously award-worthy show never won any Emmy or Golden Globe awards for acting and only won for writing once (and also why no Star Trek shows ever won for anything but make-up or special effects). Don't judge a book by its cover.

I always say that it seems like most people have some show they grew up watching as a teen that they could relate to because of the way it dealt with teenage issues. For some, it's "Beverly Hills 90210" or "Dawson's Creek". "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" was THE coming-of-age show for me. All the supernatural mumbo jumbo that the title implies was not the main appeal to me.

I got used to it, and sometimes I liked it a lot, but the main attraction was its insight and empathy towards the teenage/young adult experience. I was so into that, I even forgot about all the supernatural stuff sometimes. I'm not sick about this as my original hyperbolic statement suggests, but it just saddens me to think something I care about so much could have such a poor product share its name. Surely that must be understandable to some here.
So true. Buffy is one of those great shows that people are all too ready to dismiss only because of its title and subject matter, and that you have to work hard to convince your friends to watch. I get people laughing when I tell them I like the show called Buffy the Vampire Slayer (of course, from those who have never watched a single scene from it). You'll get a similar kind of prejudice with Battlestar Galactica, or anything Star Trek, or any space opera. But with Buffy, it's even worse, possibly also because of the 1992 movie. Can you believe the irony that I know people who ridiculed Buffy without having seen it, while their favorite shows are Heroes and Smallville?

As for the reboot... well, to quote the Slayer herself: Let me take the opportunity to not care.

I am following the comics continuation, and while it would be great to have some sort of film/TV continuation of Joss's Buffyverse, there would be issues with anything involving Spike or Angel or other vampire characters... what with the whole "not aging" thing that is getting harder to sell with every passing year, which isn't much of a problem when you're watching them over seasons and getting used to it, but after a break of some 6-7 years... it would be a bit more obvious.

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I just informed DB that they are remaking Buffy. http://twitpic.com/39av51
That pic is brilliant. DB is at his best when he's being goofy.
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Old November 24 2010, 02:00 AM   #87
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What's the point when you can easily watch the original series already, which isn't exactly ancient.
Which part of

- an appealing, not mousey-faced lead actress and
- film-length brevity

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Old November 24 2010, 02:28 AM   #88
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I read up a bit on the writer - this 29 year old woman with no previous writing credits. She is quoted as saying she's a fan of the show, as she used to watch it in college, and is excited about rebooting it for modern times. I tried to understand how someone who claims to be a fan of this show could be anxious to bastardize it as a franchise.
She is a twenty-nine year old actor whom you've never heard of, which means that her career window is closing...yesterday. Fronting for this production is her last shot.
I'd be jumping to do it if offered the opportunity (not saying it'd be great), I can't blame her for wanting to do it.

Assuming those Buffy TV producer credits are legal obligations Fran Rubel Kuzui hasn't had much more experience.
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Old November 24 2010, 03:12 AM   #89
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I just think it's rediculous because it's one of those things that's not nearly old enough to warrant a remake. It's like that talk about remaking The Crow.

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I am following the comics continuation, and while it would be great to have some sort of film/TV continuation of Joss's Buffyverse, there would be issues with anything involving Spike or Angel or other vampire characters... what with the whole "not aging" thing that is getting harder to sell with every passing year, which isn't much of a problem when you're watching them over seasons and getting used to it, but after a break of some 6-7 years... it would be a bit more obvious.
It seems like David Boreanaz has his hands full with Bones anyway. Meanwhile, James Marsters seems more than ready to leave Spike behind him. (I met him at this year's Phoenix ComicCon and he spent quite a bit of it slagging off on Joss Whedon and talking about how they never got along and that any new live action Buffy production would not involve Spike.)

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I figure it's kind of like John Logan with "Star Trek: Nemesis". Here's a guy who claims to be a fan of the franchise (even specifically identifying his favourite episode as "Balance of Terror" and his favourite alien species as Romulan) who still wrote a travesty of a movie for it.
A travesty but it was still in continuity.
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Old November 24 2010, 03:34 AM   #90
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I never knew James didn't get along with Joss. Yes, Joss is still working on the comics continuation which will be going into 'season nine' once he completes the finale to 'season eight' which he's writing himself right now. I believe that there will be a hiatus in between seasons as well just like if the show were still on the air.

One thing this news has demonstrated is that fans are still as passionate about Buffy as they were when the TV series was going.
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