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Old November 25 2010, 05:31 AM   #1
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What happened to Remus when they showed romulus getting destroyed?

i noticed remus was not onsceen when the supernova destroyed romulus
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Old November 25 2010, 05:33 AM   #2
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Re: What happened to Remus when they showed romulus getting destroyed?

It didn't have to be in shot, of course.. and you would THINK that it would be destroyed as well. But when you have a super-nova moving and exceedingly high warp-speeds and you can view planetary explosions instantly with the naked eye from light-years away ... the hell if I know.
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Old November 25 2010, 07:37 AM   #3
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Re: What happened to Remus when they showed romulus getting destroyed?

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But when you have a super-nova moving and exceedingly high warp-speeds w.
i would imagine(because a super nove is a star) that it could not go warp speed(because a star is light and light can't go faster than light).
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Old November 25 2010, 08:36 AM   #4
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i would imagine(because a super nove is a star) that it could not go warp speed(because a star is light and light can't go faster than light).
What about the light inside starships?
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Old November 25 2010, 11:59 AM   #5
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Re: What happened to Remus when they showed romulus getting destroyed?

From the movie itself, it appears to be the Romulan star that exploded - however, a regular supernova doesn't account for Spock's "Threatened to destroy the galaxy" line. All the tie-in material has taken that literally, starting with the 2387 prequel Countdown, co-written by the writers of the movie themselves. They say the whole Romulan system was destroyed, including Remus (search "Star Trek online intro" on YouTube to hear it from Nimoy himself).

According to the Countdown comic, the novel The Needs of the Many and the Star Trek Online videogame, the Hobus supernova originated 500 light years from the Romulan system, threatened the galaxy with a deadly wave of radiation, and still isn't really understood by Federation scientists years later in 2405. They classify it as a Type IIIc supernova with unexplained FTL properties, and say the supernova wasn't a natural phenonemon. It's cause remains unknown.

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Old November 25 2010, 12:51 PM   #6
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Re: What happened to Remus when they showed romulus getting destroyed?

Be it the homestar that blows at STL, or this Hobus star at FTL, it would appear obvious that Remus would be gone along with Romulus.

However, if a mere solar flare or other directional calamity hit Romulus, Remus might in theory survive: ST:NEM shows that while the two planets have closely matching orbits, they don't actually revolve around each other, and Remus is on an orbit of slightly greater radius and thus should "lag behind", only coming to the neighborhood of Romulus every few years. (Romulus and Remus meeting = ideal time for a slave rebellion?)

Apparently, Spock stopped the wave of supernova destruction with his red matter bomb very soon after Romulus was lost, so the outer fringes of the Romulan system might have survived if the homestar blew - or the farther half of the system could have survived if a distant star blew. In the latter case, if Remus was on the far side, it might have survived...

Personally, I don't think the Hobus thing makes any sense dramatically let alone physically, though. And the homestar blowing would take out both planets even if they were on the opposite sides of it.

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Old November 25 2010, 01:44 PM   #7
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Re: What happened to Remus when they showed romulus getting destroyed?

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i would imagine(because a super nove is a star) that it could not go warp speed(because a star is light and light can't go faster than light).
What about the light inside starships?
Wow! Interesting concept!
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Old November 25 2010, 02:16 PM   #8
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Re: What happened to Remus when they showed romulus getting destroyed?

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But when you have a super-nova moving and exceedingly high warp-speeds w.
i would imagine(because a super nove is a star) that it could not go warp speed(because a star is light and light can't go faster than light).
Erm...a star isn't literally made of light....
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Old November 25 2010, 03:01 PM   #9
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Re: What happened to Remus when they showed romulus getting destroyed?

It traveled back in time, was blown into orbit of Vulcan, cooled down to Hoth-like temperaturs - and was renamed 'Delta Vega'...

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Old November 25 2010, 03:23 PM   #10
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Re: What happened to Remus when they showed romulus getting destroyed?

Remus won't be installed until Tuesday. No but seriously, do we have to say it again? Obvious answer? Are we going to talk about what's canon and what's not canon again?
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Old November 25 2010, 03:51 PM   #11
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i noticed remus was not onsceen when the supernova destroyed romulus
Remus was a bad idea from a bad movie. Good riddance, I say.
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Old November 25 2010, 04:29 PM   #12
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Re: What happened to Remus when they showed romulus getting destroyed?

^Remus existed as far back as the Romulans' debut in "Balance of Terror". We just didn't visit it until "Nemesis".
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Old November 25 2010, 07:17 PM   #13
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Re: What happened to Remus when they showed romulus getting destroyed?

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But when you have a super-nova moving and exceedingly high warp-speeds w.
i would imagine(because a super nove is a star) that it could not go warp speed(because a star is light and light can't go faster than light).
Erm...a star isn't literally made of light....
Yes but light is the fastest thing in the natural universe so in theory, natural phenomena cannot travel faster than light.
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Old November 25 2010, 08:28 PM   #14
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i would imagine(because a super nove is a star) that it could not go warp speed(because a star is light and light can't go faster than light).
Erm...a star isn't literally made of light....
Yes but light is the fastest thing in the natural universe so in theory, natural phenomena cannot travel faster than light.
Loophole: Subspace Phenomena.

In the Star Trek Universe, there are countless interdimentional and/or subspace phenomena (for example, the Graviton Elipse) that may provide a means for something tor sidestep Einstein.

It would be a great story to pursue if it was an artificial phenomena.

Breen maybe? Someone new?
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Old November 25 2010, 09:14 PM   #15
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It wouldn't be all that extraordinary if Romulan agents blew up Praxis in ST6. They're shown as the party that would benefit from the mutual annihilation of Klingons and Feds, and they're shown as being otherwise involved in the scheming. Plus, blowing up the already volatile Praxis wouldn't be a difficult task for a determined agent.

OTOH, ST:GEN makes it look as if cultures on the UFP level don't know the secret of how to make stars blow up. It's something only Soran from the apparently old and advanced El-Aurian civilization can provide for. The usual suspects wouldn't have an easy time blowing up Eisn, then - even if it were as easy to infiltrate the home system of the paranoid Romulans as it would be the home system of the drunkard Klingons. Plus, Romulans are generally nefarious enough to do something like that, but none of the other baddies have been painted in those colors in the writing - and shouldn't, because the Trek baddies desperately need their "personal quirks", which for Cardassians may be ruthlessness, but only for Romulans is truly evil ruthlessness...

Unless S31 really did it (and never mind they wouldn't have had the means). But to what end? If we trust Spock, loss of Romulus would endanger the whole galaxy, one way or another. S31 doesn't want that to happen.

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