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View Poll Results: Wot is the better film?
Top Gun (1986) 3 50.00%
Les Chevaliers du Ciel (2005) 3 50.00%
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Old January 3 2011, 11:47 AM   #1
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Top Gun vs. Les Chevaliers du Ciel

There may be other films in the Jets Wot Go Fast genre - to say nothing of various animes - but these two are, I think, the only real contenders for the throne.

My take is that while Top Gun is in most conventional respects - characterisation, script, etc. - the better film, as jet wank Chevaliers comes out on top with its aerial photography serving up shots that Top Gun is unable to match with its reliance on ground-based photography. Chevaliers also features a greater variety of environments - culminating in a stunning sequence over Paris - which works to offset its perhaps less iconic cast of Mirages, Airbuses and Alpha Jets against Top Gun's F-14s, A-4s and F-5s.

Wot say you?
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Old January 3 2011, 03:20 PM   #2
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I like Les Chevaliers du Ciel more (Released here as Sky Fighters).

Top Gun is a fun film, but I thought Les Chevaliers looked better.
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Old January 3 2011, 03:30 PM   #3
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I won't vote because I've never seen Les Chevaliers but it would be hard to be worse than Top Gun, an awful, contrived, formulaic piece of garbage. The big old Tomcat was a beauty, though.

Bridges at Toko Ri, on the other hand... Now there's a jet flying movie.

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Old January 3 2011, 05:35 PM   #4
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Some footage from Les Chevaliers du Ciel:



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Bridges at Toko Ri, on the other hand... Now there's a jet flying movie.
I haven't seen it, but starring William Holden and Grace Kelly? I can believe it.
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Old January 3 2011, 05:41 PM   #5
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Ack! It's all a mirage!


And Iron Eagle FTW. It's so bad that it's good.
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Old January 3 2011, 06:07 PM   #6
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Ack! It's all a mirage!
I see what you did there.

It would've been great if the filmmakers had been able to use Rafales as well, alas...

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I like Les Chevaliers du Ciel more (Released here as Sky Fighters).
My rule of thumb for referencing non-English films is to go with whichever title sounds better. So it's The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo but Les Chevaliers du Ciel.
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Old January 3 2011, 06:12 PM   #7
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And Iron Eagle FTW. It's so bad that it's good.
I rewatched Iron Eagle for the first time in years the other day. My god, it's awful. I loved it.

Top Gun is one of the most wonderfully quotable and hilarious films of all time. Pure pantomime in movie format, and utterly brilliant. Marvellous entertainment.

Haven't seen Chevaliers so didn't vote in the poll. Looks pretty from that trailer, but I didn't get any sense of revelry in its silliness that Top Gun exudes. These sort of movies really need that, because they're generally so OTT than to play them straight is tough.
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Old January 3 2011, 06:23 PM   #8
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I will concede that TG was one of my favorite films from when it came out--when I was five--to about age 10 or so. Of course, during that same period, I liked TWOK just as much, so what does that tell you?
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Old January 3 2011, 06:30 PM   #9
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I will concede that TG was one of my favorite films from when it came out--when I was five--to about age 10 or so. Of course, during that same period, I liked TWOK just as much, so what does that tell you?
You liked camp shoot-em-ups as a kid?

Top Gun is even more camp than TWOK though, so is superior.
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Old January 3 2011, 06:51 PM   #10
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Haven't seen Chevaliers so didn't vote in the poll. Looks pretty from that trailer, but I didn't get any sense of revelry in its silliness that Top Gun exudes. These sort of movies really need that, because they're generally so OTT than to play them straight is tough.
It's definitely over the top, but doesn't take itself too seriously, although I find that's as much an effect of the rapid-fire editing as anything else. There are a couple brutal moments in the film that feel heavier than they actually are precisely because they seem so out of place.

Here's a (fan?) trailer featuring some actual human beings:


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Old January 3 2011, 06:59 PM   #11
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^ That's a lot more fun. I'd watch that.
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Old January 3 2011, 07:01 PM   #12
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Top Gun had no air-to-air photography?
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Old January 3 2011, 07:05 PM   #13
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Top Gun had no air-to-air photography?
Some, but most was ground-based, which limited the stuff they could do. No zooming around the clouds, for instance.

Is there any word on whether Top Gun 2 is going to use real aircraft or succumb to the temptation of CGI?
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Old January 4 2011, 02:32 AM   #14
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I'm American and it had F-14s and T-33s in Russian colors.


TOP. GUN.
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Both were pretty great, but Top Gun's story was a bit more interesting.
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