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Old October 29 2010, 10:05 PM   #1
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Illogical comic book logic

I am reading through "The Return of Bruce Wayne: Oracle" and in there ***SPOILERS*** Oracle comments how Bruce Wayne is dead and cannot come back, yet Superman, Flash and Green Arrow have all come back from the dead. In the same issue there is a flashback as to when Barbara got shot by the Joker and Bruce arrives to comfort her.

So in context, entire people can rise up from the dead and/or get reincarnated/reborn/whatever, but in the same DC Universe they don't have tech to give Barbara her legs back?? I mean one of her closest friends, Zatana, can literally reconstitute matter through her backwards-talking-spells but she cannot fix Barbara's spine? Or Superman cannot come up with some advanced Kryptonian cure? Or Batman/Bruce Wayne with all his money cannot entice Cadmus Labs to do something about it?

I don't get that.
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Old October 29 2010, 10:17 PM   #2
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They could hand-wave it away in a panel but the reason they don't is that the current version is more interesting than the original - we have plenty of people running around in gimpsuits, one more makes no difference.
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Old October 29 2010, 10:38 PM   #3
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It's the same reason nobody in the Marvel Universe could cure Aunt May of a simple gunshot wound despite having cosmic power or superscience at their disposal. It's because the story says so.

Really, though, if Babs did walk again, does it necessarily mean she's go back to being Batgirl? I mean, being Oracle puts her in a position to do far more good on a global scale than she ever could just patrolling the streets in spandex. She's accumulated a wealth of technology and resources and skills and allies as Oracle -- it makes no sense to suggest that the only reason she'd keep all that is because she can't walk. She could regain the use of her legs and decide it didn't change anything as far as her role in the hero community was concerned. (Heck, in Smallville for the past couple of seasons, Chloe Sullivan was Oracle in all but name, and she didn't need to be in a wheelchair to do it.)
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Old October 29 2010, 11:05 PM   #4
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They had to address this issue in John Ostrander's Suicide Squad, where Oracle was introduced. Another character, Ravan, suffered a broken back and was later able to walk again through technological means. It was explained that part of Babs' spine is missing and that the doctors had to build a bridge between two sections of her spine just to let her sit upright. That, plus extensive neurological damage, kept the Ravan technology from working with her.

It doesn't explain away everything else, including the fact that Bruce was crippled at least twice since then and recovered. But at least someone thought to address it.

I'd like to see what Babs thinks of Bruce, Ravan, and all the other crippled folks getting up and walking while she's stuck there. Even Ostrander didn't do that.
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Old October 30 2010, 03:28 AM   #5
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Old October 30 2010, 10:07 AM   #6
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Barbara will never walk again because The Holy Alan Moore wrote the story that crippled her and fanboys would lose their shit if DC dared undo His Works. Even though Moore never really thought she would stay crippled forever.
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Old October 30 2010, 10:20 AM   #7
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I have similar questions about Deathstroke's right eye.
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Old October 30 2010, 10:39 AM   #8
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The DC and Marvel Universes will never extrapolate all their discoveries and inventions in a Science Fiction-like way. Their premise is for the setting to remain as close to the real world as possible, with the fantastic elements super-imposed. In fact, if only a small fraction of what has been written about existed, the world would be changed beyond belief.
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Old October 30 2010, 11:10 AM   #9
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Well, I dunno. If you pretend, you can imagine that Reed Richards or Lex Luthor (select as appropriate to your universe) invented some kind of youth serum that no one ever bothers to mention.

Richards tested it, of course, on Franklin.
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Old October 30 2010, 12:35 PM   #10
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i think Babs will walk again and that Bruce has a different role intended for her in the upcoming "Death of Oracle" storyline. For some reason got that impression after reading the Road Home one shot.
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Old October 30 2010, 02:45 PM   #11
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Well, Marvel doesn't really cure extreme body injuries like that all that much. It's a LITTLE better than DC. Xavier only got cured once really (with alien cloning tech).

Bruce was going to use the cure for his back on Barbara, but the metahuman doctor lost her mind after she cured him.
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Old October 30 2010, 05:38 PM   #12
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Well, Marvel doesn't really cure extreme body injuries like that all that much. It's a LITTLE better than DC. Xavier only got cured once really (with alien cloning tech).
I think the point is, we have been shown so much magic and magic like technology that there should be no problem curing Xavier (except I thought it was physiological at one time?)
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Old October 30 2010, 07:18 PM   #13
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What if it has been Bab's own choice to not have her legs repaired? It's clear that she could if she wanted to and has the means and resources available to her, I think it's a matter of desire and maybe protecting their identities? How many people in Gotham are aware of Barbara Gordon's friendship with Bruce Wayne?
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Old October 30 2010, 07:46 PM   #14
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^Well, Wayne is noted for his philanthropic activities, so if he had access to a cure for paraplegia and offered it to the daughter of Gotham's police commissioner, it wouldn't necessarily be seen as evidence of a personal connection between them. Indeed, it could easily be spun as an attempt on Bruce's part to garner publicity by sharing the cure with a prominent figure, or maybe to ingratiate himself with the police in hopes that they'd be kinder to him the next time he throws a wild party that disrupts an entire city block.

And heck, since this is Bruce Wayne we're talking about, if anyone did speculate about a connection between him and Barbara Gordon, the type of shared nocturnal activities they'd be imagining wouldn't involve fighting crime.
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Old October 30 2010, 08:11 PM   #15
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The DC and Marvel Universes will never extrapolate all their discoveries and inventions in a Science Fiction-like way. Their premise is for the setting to remain as close to the real world as possible, with the fantastic elements super-imposed. In fact, if only a small fraction of what has been written about existed, the world would be changed beyond belief.
Marvel did do a series based around this idea, it was called Fantastic Four: Big Town and was written by Steve Englehart. I believe it was meant to be six issues but was cut down to four issue mini.


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