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Old October 29 2010, 04:59 AM   #31
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Re: Title of new "Mission: Impossible" movie announced

No one goes up to the ticket counter and asks to buy tickets for Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. They usually just say Star Trek. I've heard people getting tickets to the latest Bond movie just ask for James Bond.
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Old October 29 2010, 09:49 AM   #32
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Re: Title of new "Mission: Impossible" movie announced

The other thing about this title which brings out my inner pedant is the placing of the colon. Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol would make more sense. I know that the title of the series has always been Mission: Impossible, not Mission Impossible.

But Mission: Impossible Ghost Protocol makes it sound like this is a mission about an impossible supernatural protocol. Think about it. Say it out loud.
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Old October 29 2010, 04:17 PM   #33
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I assume it's Mission: Impossible: Ghost Protocol. There's no law that says a title has to be limited to one colon. (Indeed, several of my Trek novel titles have more than one, like Star Trek: The Next Generation: The Buried Age: A Tale of The Lost Era.)

And who cares what people say when they ask for a ticket? Since when was that the only determining factor in choosing a title? Titling a story is an act of creativity. It's about choosing a word or phrase that's evocative of the substance, feel, or themes of the work. A story's title is its title regardless of whether people actually speak it aloud in the same form. For instance, we refer to Jonathan Swift's most famous work as Gulliver's Travels even though its full title is Travels into Several Remote Nations of the World, by Lemuel Gulliver, first a Surgeon and then a Captain of several Ships. (The conceit was that it was a nonfiction traveller's tale written by Captain Gulliver. Swift's authorship was supposed to be kept secret, though it came out shortly before publication. So it's not actually Gulliver's Travels so much as "Gulliver's Travels," akin to "Ovid's Metamorphoses" or "Plato's Republic.")
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Old October 29 2010, 04:22 PM   #34
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Re: Title of new "Mission: Impossible" movie announced

^ Thus far they don't seem to be using the second colon, though.
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Old October 29 2010, 04:56 PM   #35
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Well, I'm sure the official logo will have them on separate lines, separate fonts, or the like to differentiate them.

Personally, I think it's an interesting title. I'm curious to know what it means, and that's part of what makes a good title. If they'd just called it M:I4, all that would say is "this is the next unit churned out by the assembly line." It wouldn't say anything about it as a distinct story.

Although it's ironic that this is the film to break from the generic, assembly-line titling, because this is the only M:I film that really has any creative continuity with its predecessor, since Abrams is producing and wrote the story, even though it has a different director and screenwriters. It isn't really an assembly line when each product is so distinct from the others. The first film was a Brian DePalma paranoid thriller, the second was a John Woo action thriller, the third was Alias on a feature budget. Which is exactly why their generic, numbered titles are so inadequate and unrevealing. This one will hopefully be distinctly a Brad Bird film, since Brad Bird films to date have been consistently excellent, but it will have an Abrams influence as well.
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Old October 29 2010, 06:45 PM   #36
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Re: Title of new "Mission: Impossible" movie announced

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Ghost Protocol? Sounds like the title to one of those Tom Clancy's insert name here book series. I wonder what it refers to?
Regarding the first movie the agents are trained so they disappear like ghosts.

Maybe the movie deals with an agent who has to disappear for awhile
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Old October 29 2010, 06:51 PM   #37
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Re: Title of new "Mission: Impossible" movie announced

None of them were good. Or, rather, they were fun -- but none of them were "Mission: Impossible" in anything but name.

I mean, to start off the first movie by turning Jim Phelps into a TRAITOR? Come on.

And Cruise even had that line in the first film "they saw us coming".... No one EVER saw the IMF coming.

The series is a hyped up steroidal spy flick in the Bourne mode, but it's not *my* "Mission: Impossible." And they're also scientifically ludicrous. MI used to stretch what was scientifically feasible at the time, but they wouldn't actually do anything like "we can stop his heart with a shock, thus stopping the heart-beat–sensitive explosive, and then start his heart again with the same electrical shock" stuff that is totally medically bogus.
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Old October 29 2010, 07:24 PM   #38
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None of them were good. Or, rather, they were fun -- but none of them were "Mission: Impossible" in anything but name.
Quite true. They were Brian DePalma Spy Movie, John Woo Spy Movie, and J. J. Abrams Spy Movie -- though the third film did have some pretty good homages to M:I, since that's part of Abrams's style.


And Cruise even had that line in the first film "they saw us coming".... No one EVER saw the IMF coming.
Which I sometimes regret. In watching the show, I've often thought it would've been cool if there had been a recurring anti-IMF team, a group of enemy agents who did the same sort of thing the IMF did and was occasionally pitted against them. It would've been nice to see episodes where the team's job was to expose and thwart someone else's scam rather than perpetrate their own, just to mix it up some.

And there were one or two episodes where someone caught onto the IMF after the fact. "The Ransom" in the first season has Dan Briggs approached by a mobster who somehow knows who he is and what he does (perhaps due to some prior interaction, though it's clear they've never directly met before), and who's kidnapped a friend's daughter in order to force Briggs and his team to do his dirty work. And there's a final-season episode where a character the team brought down in an earlier episode returns and kidnaps Jim Phelps to get revenge on him or something.

And they're also scientifically ludicrous. MI used to stretch what was scientifically feasible at the time, but they wouldn't actually do anything like "we can stop his heart with a shock, thus stopping the heart-beat–sensitive explosive, and then start his heart again with the same electrical shock" stuff that is totally medically bogus.
Ohh, they did sillier things than that on occasion. "Zubrovnik's Ghost" in the first season looked like it was going to be about the team exposing a fraudulent medium, but it turned out the ghost was real and it drove the bad guys to their deaths. And they sometimes used robots and computers that were far too advanced for the time, or even for our time.
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Old October 29 2010, 09:16 PM   #39
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I think the film should be about a traitor in the MI Force.
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Old October 29 2010, 09:17 PM   #40
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^Mmm, they've never done that one before!
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Old October 29 2010, 09:25 PM   #41
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They're Paramount, so they can take on Megatron, or the Ark of the Covenant, or Axel Foley, or the Enterprise in the fifth movie.
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Old October 29 2010, 11:11 PM   #42
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They're Paramount, so they can take on Megatron, or the Ark of the Covenant, or Axel Foley, or the Enterprise in the fifth movie.
"Good morning, Mr. Hunt. The person you see here is Megatron, ruthless leader of the cybernetic terrorist organization known as the Decepticons. Megatron is being challenged for control of the organization by his lieutenant, Starscream, a highly dangerous and erratic individual. If Starscream should gain control, the Secretary feels the Decepticons will become far more unstable and unpredictable. Starscream has blackmailed this man, Axel Foley, a 26-year veteran of the Beverly Hills police, into helping him steal the powerful Ark of the Covenant from a secret government warehouse so he can use it to overthrow Megatron. Foley will deliver the Ark to Starscream right under Megatron's nose during a gambling cruise aboard this vessel, the USS Enterprise. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to recover the Ark, destroy the blackmail material on Foley, and expose Starscream's plans to Megatron, without letting the crew of the Enterprise become aware of the Ark's existence. As always, should you or any of your IM force be caught or disintegrated, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of this mashup. This tape will self-destruct in five seconds. Good luck, Ji -- uh, Ethan.

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Old October 30 2010, 10:32 AM   #43
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None of them were good. Or, rather, they were fun -- but none of them were "Mission: Impossible" in anything but name.
This. Which is really frustrating as a faithful, big-screen big-budget version would work brilliantly done right.
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Old October 30 2010, 04:13 PM   #44
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^I'm not sure a big-budget version would be the right way to go. What intrigued me about the original M:I concept was that it played like a really, really off-the-books covert mission. Think about what the pilot episode established. A guy gets a secret message telling him "Welcome back" (suggesting he's a retired intelligence agent returning to the game) and offering him a mission -- offering him, not ordering him ("if you choose to accept it"). He's told he'll have full discretion as to his methods and team members (a line left out in the rest of the series). He's told that if his team is caught, the government will deny knowing anything about them and just leave them out in the cold -- complete deniability. He recruits a team of people who aren't professional agents -- an actor, a model, an engineer, a circus strongman, and in the pilot, a safecracker -- and meets with them in his apartment, not in any sort of government office, to plan out the scheme. What that suggests is that this is an unofficial operation put together for a mission so sensitive and dangerous that the government can't officially have anything to do with it at all. So "the Secretary" (of Defense, probably) makes clandestine contact with a former colleague and asks him to use his expertise in an unofficial capacity to undertake this impossible mission.

I think that's a fascinating concept, and one that was never satisfactorily developed. As the show went on, more and more we saw that the IMF did, in fact, have abundant support from the federal government and local officials, and in the '88 revival series and especially the movies, it was blatantly a subdivision of the CIA. In the third movie, we even saw the team operating out of an office in CIA headquarters and answering directly to its head. Which makes the whole secret message drop and the lines about "should you choose to accept it" and "the Secretary will disavow" totally meaningless.

So I'd love to see an M:I reboot that builds on the potential implicit in the original setup, focuses on the idea of the IMF as an unofficial, garage-band operation. I'd like to see an origin story explaining who Briggs/Phelps/whoever is, where he came from, how he ended up in this position, how he got the idea of recruiting amateurs to help out with an off-the-books spy mission. And why the team members are willing to undertake such a mission. There's a lot of potential there, and I think it would be better explored in a lower-budget, more character-focused film. I've had enough of the blockbuster approach.
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Old November 1 2010, 03:09 PM   #45
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I would have preferred "Mission: Impossible IV" as well.
Part of the problem is people are starting to look down upon "numbered sequels" because so many of them have been crap, no matter the franchise. So you end up with the numbering being abandoned like Trek did, or you get these subtitled titles to try and set them apart from what came before (IIRC Mission Impossible III didn't exactly set the world on fire).

Personally, I have no interest in the franchise. I was excited when the first movie was announced but then it ended up being a Tom Cruise movie, ignoring the fact what made Mission Impossible work was the fact it was a team effort with no one character or actor dominating. And the whole bit about Phelps being a traitor (Peter Graves reportedly was offered the part, saw that, and told them to f-off) was a real middle finger to the fans. Granted, it didn't matter because most its target audience had no idea there was ever a TV show (as I found out when I started looking for the TV series DVDs at the shops and kept being offered the movies, followed by blank stares when I said, no, the TV series.).

Although I don't plan to double-dip on the 7 box sets I've purchased over the last 5 years, maybe the release of MI4 will spark a Blu-Ray reissue of the original series. The prints (from the evidence of the DVD sets) look great and would make the transition well, I think.

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