The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I love Superman The Movie, and I truly believe that people simulataneously take the ending of that great film too literally while not taking it literally enough. What do I mean by that? Peopel don't know metaphor, and they still miss the point that the scene was trying to convey, at least in my opinion.

Throughout the film, we see hints right from the beginning that what really separates Kryptonians from humans, in addition to their vast intellect and knowldge of the universe, is their unity with time itself. They seem to have some mastery of it. This is hinted in various things Jor-El says to Kal-El on his journey, or how he can even speak to him after he's dead, and been dead for millenia, or how Kal-El can journey to all points of the universe from the time he was 18 until he was 30. And here's the rub; kal-El tells him that he is forbidden from interfereing with human history.

What he meant by that was left vague. Some might argue tht being Superman and flying around saying cats and stopping petty theft does indeed have an effect on human history. I don't agree. Those were parlor tricks. Even his appearance in the suit is part of that. This is supported by a supplementary scene in the extended edition wherein Supes talks to Kal-El. I don't remember the dialogue exactlybut Kal-El implies that Supes was showing off but this did not violate his pledge to interfere with human history. So...

I surmise that Kal-El meant it literally, in the most blunt way. He was not to interfere with history.. not the course of history but history itself, since the Kryptonains have control of time, in some way (say, a symbiotic relationship with it) then Supes could actually change things that have technically already happens. When Lois dies, Supes goes up to the sky and hears the warning again from his father.. and again... and then the rage kicks in. It takes everything he has, every ounce of strength, but Supes decides to defy this pledge.

Now i don't believe that Supes actually went around the planet like that, and his flying caused the world to spin backwards and that caused time to go backwards. That's a literal interpretation, and was meant to show that he was actually using his rage and anger to tap into his race's ability to tap into time, and the filmmakers were using the visual of the backwards rotating Earth to depict something that they couldn't depict visually.. it was a visual metaphor. As was the shot of the damn. Time doesn't rewind like that, but they were trying to show that Supes was being defiant. they sold it to em by showing him as angry.

So Supes literally threw himself back in time to save Lois... and I guess he might have been in two places at once. What people are missing is that this was a character moment, not a moment depicted some sort of literal action.

[sonak]

captrek wrote:

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I have a question about Superman. It’s probably not necessary to spoiler-tag a 1979 film, but it doesn't hurt.

In the climax of the film, we see Hoover Dam break, threatening to wipe out a town in minutes with the water from the lake. Fortunately the water is flowing through a canyon which Superman is able to dam with rocks just in the nick of time, saving the town.

While all this is happening, Lois is in trouble. After creating the rock dam, Superman rushes to save her, but arrives too late, and she is dead. He cries, then screams, then turns back time.

While time is running backwards, we see Lois' death, the creation of the rock dam, and the failure of Hoover Dam running in reverse. Then when time starts moving forward again we see Superman go take care of Lois then fly off to deal with Luthor. We never see or hear anything about the dam, the canyon, or the town.

My question: Does the time-travel trick allow Superman to be in two places at once, or does he sacrifice the town to save Lois?

I wonder if it was left intentionally ambiguous. On the one hand, Superman sacrificing hundreds to save one seems inconsistent with the tone of the film. On the other hand, it would validate the advice he gets from his father in the next film that he must choose between being Superman and being with Lois because “You cannot serve humanity by investing your time and emotion in one human being at the expense of the rest.” (That quote is from the Donner cut, but Superman hears something similar from his mother in the original theatrical cut.)

In all the times I've seen Superman I, I didn't notice that. Good question.

[Trekker4747]

I don't believe he "reversed the spin of the Earth" either but that was just a visual way to show him physically moving back in time.

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Trekker4747 wrote:

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I don't believe he "reversed the spin of the Earth" either but that was just a visual way to show him physically moving back in time.

I agree. That's one of the points I was making. Unfortunately, things like that are lost on people that can't think when they watch a movie

[Trekker4747]

And then, um, he obviously went back in time too far and had to go forwards a bit.

[Hartzilla2007]

Trekker4747 wrote:

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I think argument could be made that he was in "two places at once" but then the "Prime Superman" would have no reason to go back in time which might mean there are two Superman now, unless the "Prime" Superman simply disappears at the same time he would have. It's really a mess if you think about it too much.

And the whole thing is moot since Luthor's entire argument to Superman is null since Superman can move fast enough to find and catch both missiles as we see in the very scene in orbits the Earth at relativistic speeds! Searching the entire range of those types of missile shouldn't have posed any problem.

You mean like this

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

And the whole thing is moot since Luthor's entire argument to Superman is null since Superman can move fast enough to find and catch both missiles as we see in the very scene in orbits the Earth at relativistic speeds! Searching the entire range of those types of missile shouldn't have posed any problem.

That was my point; I don't think his speed was a factor in how he went back in time. It looked that way, but that's not what actually happened. He tapped into his people's ability to alter time itself, something his father told him not to do.. and he did it out of rage.

[Admiral_Young]

More score samples from Hans Zimmer's "The Dark Knight Rises" score! July 17th can't get here soon enough!

http://www.watertower-music.com/rele...earch=WTM39313

[JacksonArcher]

Hopefully it leaks soon.

[Captaindemotion]

^ Not as much as your bladder leaks every time you hear a piece of it!

[Trekker4747]

Captaindemotion wrote:

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^ Not as much as your bladder leaks every time you hear a piece of it!

That's not his bladder that's doing the leaking.

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

the official site for the film is now up and running.

[Samurai8472]

TV spot number 10




And a gif I found

[JarodRussell]

The more I see of Bane, the more laughably small he looks to me. It's going to need some real trickery to let me believe that he is a proper match for Batman.

[Captain Craig]

Get me some milk with that shake!!