The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station - Page 104

Admiral_Young · July 13 2011, 11:46 PM

Warner Bros is already planning to reboot the franchise after "The Dark Knight Rises" is finished. This was announced months ago.

Shazam! · July 14 2011, 12:00 AM

Ninjacore wrote:

CGI is evil, it looks so fake and ruins most movies.

Actual nonsense.

Ninjacore · July 14 2011, 12:00 AM

Shazam! wrote:

Ninjacore wrote:

CGI is evil, it looks so fake and ruins most movies.

Actual nonsense.

The old ways of the 70's and so were far more enjoyable then the fake CGI they use now, least in my opinion.

Shazam! · July 14 2011, 12:03 AM

Ninjacore wrote:

enjoyable then the fake CGI they use now

Special effects are special effects. Bad CGI is today's wires on models. Granted, the latter has a kind of charm to it but only when looking back through rose coloured spectacles.

Obiwanshinobi · July 14 2011, 12:06 AM

I was thinking more of the Brandon Lee/The Crow approach of bringing Heath's Joker back, but I doubt there's that much additional content that was scrapped from TDK to make into something new for TDKR.

The best CGI is the kind you don't even notice as computer generated imagery, in my opinion.

Samuel Walters · July 14 2011, 12:19 AM

Used judiciously and appropriately, CGI isn't a liability at all. While not perfect, the LOTR films found a reasonable balance. Problem is, CGI has become an avenue for lazy film making -- with directors opting for CGI when miniatures or physical sets would provide better results (see the hallway sequence in Inception for an example of how to realize fantastic visuals without the crutch of CGI) . Nolan's Batman films have done a laudable job of appropriately using CGI.

The Badger · July 14 2011, 12:21 AM

ObiWanShinobi wrote:

The best CGI is the kind you don't even notice as computer generated imagery, in my opinion.

True. In fact, the best special effects are the ones you don't notice as special effects.

Admiral_Young · July 14 2011, 12:30 AM

I don't think Nolan would consider using a CGI technique like that to "bring back a past character". From what I've read of his directorial style that doesn't seem like his modus operandi.

Out Of My Vulcan Mind · July 14 2011, 12:32 AM

The Badger wrote:

True. In fact, the best special effects are the ones you don't notice as special effects.

Not necessarily. In my opinion there's just as much to be said for FX that flawlessly create something that couldn't possibly exist in reality. In this case there's the burden of having viewers look at something very critically, fully aware that it has to be an FX shot. Achieving a completely believable effect under that close scrutiny is just as much a great achievement as flawless FX shots the viewer is unaware of (usually because they're FX shots to extend or replicate something that could exist in reality, but which would cost more to shoot entirely practically).

Set Harth · July 14 2011, 12:34 AM

Admiral_Young wrote:

Warner Bros is already planning to reboot the franchise after "The Dark Knight Rises" is finished. This was announced months ago.

Ugh.

....wait, is that kind of a mega-spoiler?

Admiral_Young · July 14 2011, 01:07 AM

Uh no. There's an entire thread on this very subject when it was announced. Also Christopher Nolan will remain as Executive Producer on the reboot.

Sindatur · July 14 2011, 01:49 AM

Harley would be cool. All I know of her is the Birds of Prey Box Set. So, I can see her totally being relevant without the Joker, because I've never seen her with him. If they really wanted to cast a Moratorium on the Joker, they open with a scene of a death, maybe even from a distance, and that's the Joker dying, and Harley wants revenge, if you need to justify her without the Joker (Maybe?). A Trilogy would be about 8-10 years, so there's your 10 year Moratorium.

Myasishchev · July 14 2011, 02:07 AM

Harley was certainly possible. She's just a Goddamn Joker fangirl. There's no logical reason she ever needed to even meet him, let alone be his sidekick. No, I don't like Harley Quinn very much. Worst kind of character. Subordinate distaff counterpart? Check. Blatant fanservice? You bet. Annoying, overblown regional accent? Believe it. Assumption the audience will ignore the fact that she's a complete monster because she's cute? Oh, you know it. Incapable of actual long-term growth? I'll grant I've not read 90% of Harley Quinn's appearances, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and say DOUBLE-CHECK.

ObiWanShinobi wrote:

They've already selected their villains: Bane, Catwoman to an extent and possibly Talia if the Miranda Tate character turns out to be her and maybe even Ras himself, so any character speculation discussions you missed out on in this thread you should probably go back 30 to 50 pages or so.

God, I just realized how crowded this movie is going to likely be. It's like they never, ever learn.

Shazam! · July 14 2011, 02:15 AM

Admiral_Young wrote:

Warner Bros is already planning to reboot the franchise after "The Dark Knight Rises" is finished. This was announced months ago.

I hope it's more of a recast than a reboot. However, I look forward to a Batman movie that isn't too embarrassed to be a Batman movie.

Myasishchev · July 14 2011, 02:20 AM

Indeed. I want to see Batman do something ridiculous.

Not, like, Batman and Robin ridiculous. But something that's not afraid to be unrealistic or off-the-wall, as opposed to the "no, he's totally realistic, because we used moody cinematography and obliquely referenced 9/11" villainy of the Joker.

Is Wolfgang Petersen still alive?

July 13 2011, 11:46 PM	#1546
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station Warner Bros is already planning to reboot the franchise after "The Dark Knight Rises" is finished. This was announced months ago. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

July 14 2011, 12:06 AM	#1550
Obiwanshinobi Rear Admiral Location: ObiWanShinobi	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station I was thinking more of the Brandon Lee/The Crow approach of bringing Heath's Joker back, but I doubt there's that much additional content that was scrapped from TDK to make into something new for TDKR. The best CGI is the kind you don't even notice as computer generated imagery, in my opinion.

July 14 2011, 12:19 AM	#1551
Samuel Walters Commodore Location: A ship of the imagination.	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station Used judiciously and appropriately, CGI isn't a liability at all. While not perfect, the LOTR films found a reasonable balance. Problem is, CGI has become an avenue for lazy film making -- with directors opting for CGI when miniatures or physical sets would provide better results (see the hallway sequence in Inception for an example of how to realize fantastic visuals without the crutch of CGI) . Nolan's Batman films have done a laudable job of appropriately using CGI. __________________ The Andira Chronicles, Book 1: The Darkness

July 14 2011, 12:30 AM	#1553
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station I don't think Nolan would consider using a CGI technique like that to "bring back a past character". From what I've read of his directorial style that doesn't seem like his modus operandi. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

July 14 2011, 01:07 AM	#1556
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station Uh no. There's an entire thread on this very subject when it was announced. Also Christopher Nolan will remain as Executive Producer on the reboot. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011. Last edited by Admiral_Young; July 14 2011 at 01:52 AM.

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July 14 2011, 01:49 AM	#1557
Sindatur Rear Admiral Location: Sacramento, CA	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station Harley would be cool. All I know of her is the Birds of Prey Box Set. So, I can see her totally being relevant without the Joker, because I've never seen her with him. If they really wanted to cast a Moratorium on the Joker, they open with a scene of a death, maybe even from a distance, and that's the Joker dying, and Harley wants revenge, if you need to justify her without the Joker (Maybe?). A Trilogy would be about 8-10 years, so there's your 10 year Moratorium. __________________ One Day I hope to be the Man my Cat thinks I am Where are we going? And why are we in this Handbasket?

July 14 2011, 02:20 AM	#1560
Myasishchev Rear Admiral Location: America after the rain	Re: The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station Indeed. I want to see Batman do something ridiculous. Not, like, Batman and Robin ridiculous. But something that's not afraid to be unrealistic or off-the-wall, as opposed to the "no, he's totally realistic, because we used moody cinematography and obliquely referenced 9/11" villainy of the Joker. Is Wolfgang Petersen still alive? __________________