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View Poll Results: How would you rate Zero Sum Game?
Outstanding 39 22.41%
Above Average 78 44.83%
Average 47 27.01%
Below Average 8 4.60%
Poor 2 1.15%
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Old November 2 2010, 04:28 PM   #121
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Hmm. Somebody wiser than I once said something to the general effect that if an author steals from one, it's called plagiarism, but if he steals from a dozen, it's called research.

I guess the latter case also applies to "inspiration."
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Old November 2 2010, 06:02 PM   #122
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I called my Barnes&Noble store they saved a copy of Zero sum game for me. i can't wait to finally get to read this book at long last.
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Old November 3 2010, 05:51 AM   #123
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Just finished and enjoyed the heck out it. Another winner for Mad Mack.

One question though-- was the mission actually a success? I know they destroyed the prototype, but were the schmetics destroyed? On page 281, Thot Keer was able to access a back-up of the schematics and send them off to asnother location. Did Julian's data-rod corrupt that information, or does the Pact still have the slipsteam specs? Or is that a story for another book?
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Old November 3 2010, 06:00 AM   #124
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Jus tfinished and enjoyed the heck out it.

One question though-- was the mission actually a success? I know they destroyed the prototype, but were the schmetics destroyed? On page 281, Thot Keer was able to access a back-up of the schematics and send them off to asnother location. Did Julian's data-rod corrupt that information, or does the Pact still have the slipsteam specs? Or is that a story for another book?
The data rod was designed to delete the primary copies and corrupt the backups, so the slipstream files the Pact received have been altered.
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Old November 3 2010, 06:31 AM   #125
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^Thanks.
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Old November 3 2010, 06:51 AM   #126
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You're welcome.

I wasn't sure when I first read it, either. (I actually looked it up.)
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Old November 3 2010, 03:59 PM   #127
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new to the board here but i been reading these books off and on since the early 90's. Loved this book. It was definitley a great read. Great insight to the whole Breen stuff. Cant wait for the rest of the books.
One question probably b/c i havent kept up as much as i wanted to with the deep space nine series- where is odo?
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Old November 3 2010, 04:17 PM   #128
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BXsainttj wrote: View Post
new to the board here but i been reading these books off and on since the early 90's. Loved this book. It was definitley a great read. Great insight to the whole Breen stuff. Cant wait for the rest of the books.
One question probably b/c i havent kept up as much as i wanted to with the deep space nine series- where is odo?
Odo's current situation is one of the big question marks of the DS9-R. The last time we saw Odo was at the end of Worlds of DS9: The Dominion, I believe, on the Founders' homeworld. No news since, so this is one of those dangling plot threads that will likely be picked up at some point.
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Old November 3 2010, 08:41 PM   #129
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I got my book today I 've skimmed through a few chapters great character plots in the first few chapters.
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Old November 4 2010, 05:34 AM   #130
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BXsainttj wrote: View Post
new to the board here but i been reading these books off and on since the early 90's. Loved this book. It was definitley a great read. Great insight to the whole Breen stuff. Cant wait for the rest of the books.
One question probably b/c i havent kept up as much as i wanted to with the deep space nine series- where is odo?
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Old November 4 2010, 03:34 PM   #131
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Read it yesterday. Very much liked it. Didn't mind that it wasn't an epic that changed the universe. The universe just changed a few books ago. Doing that again would upset the editorial applecart.

Bashir makes an interesting counterpart to Dax. She seems to have successfully made a difficult transition to her mature, healthy personality -- complicated by those 8 lives she drags around with her -- while he frets about being lonely and bored. Bashir does meet the woman he sees as the love of his life. But, that is something that happened to him, not something he made happen.

Ezri has certainly become a very confident and very clever ship's captain, rather like a Very-Sure-Of-Himself captain from an earlier century. Don't know where the Powers That Be want to go with her, but I think she's reached a stage of her development -- thanks to Our Friendly Authors -- to allow her to take the stage with Picard, Riker, Cisco, and Kira as a complex character who merits, and can sustain, novels focusing on her. She needs someone to be her Spock, too. I don't think Sam has that in him, at least as portrayed to date.

Also like the way that the slipstream drive is being handled. When it was introduced, I worried that it was just a gimmick to allow starships to go zipping around the galaxy at really cool speeds. That, alone, doesn't really do much for the stories. Instead, it's being portrayed as a military advantage for the Federation, and very likely a short term advantage.
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Old November 4 2010, 05:33 PM   #132
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Just finished Chapter 20. Can't believe the Romulans fell for the same trick at Nelvana Three. Guess Marius isn't as experienced a commander as Tomalak. And Julian shouldn't be surprised that Sarina can quickly improvise a cover story. She wouldn't be on the mission if she wasn't well-trained, and her genetically enhanced intellect allows her to catch on quickly. Perhaps he's still remembering the naive girl from seven years earlier.

I'm liking some of the revelations about the different Breen species.


The Breen Confederacy seems like the complete antithesis of the Federation. The Federation embraces Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations while the Confederacy forces its citizens to hide their differences out of fear of prejudice. Sounds like a good dystopia premise to me.
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Old November 4 2010, 07:13 PM   #133
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Just got the book! Here are my thoughts so far:

I was at first VERY concerned that the book would outdate and invalidate my tale in the Fanfic Forum, "A Rendezvous With Destiny", (set between "A Singular Destiny" and this book). Fortunately, it hasn't, really.

Ezri's attempt in their scene alone together to apologize to Julian for everything--and the "setting" she creates for it, with the "romantic evening" and all--flows astonishingly well with her arc in my tale!

(Mr. Mack...by all means feel free to PM me on this, but...are you silently reading in the FanFic forum, by any chance...? )

Of course, before she can get it all off her chest, it all blows up in smoke, what with Ezri making the unfortunate slip about Julian's feelings for Sarina being a "crush"--and Julian, obviously interpereting her remark as jealousy, gets defensive at her, swearing it's love!



And then, Ezri--correctly, mind you--expresses concern that he's having a conflict of interest in this mission, and probably should not have taken it. Julian gets more defensive--interestingly enough...the same way that Ezri got all set off in the beginning of Mission Gamma: This Grey Spirit--and drives Ezri to frustration (which strikes me, in effect, as a kind of "Dang it, Julian, I am bearing my soul here, and the LEAST you could do is listen to me!!!"), to the point of her doubting his abilities as a spy--

And Julian storms out. *sigh*

I can just imagine what Ezri goes through in that scene--it's written in Julian's POV--and the aftermath. I wouldn't be suprised if, after Julian leaves, she breaks down completely into sobs of frustrated anguish and faliure at her blowing it so terribly.

Also...skimming through the book...does Ezri have a scene with her POV after this? Because, interestingly enough, she doesn't seem to--or at least, nothing expressing her innermost thoughts....

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Bashir makes an interesting counterpart to Dax. She seems to have successfully made a difficult transition to her mature, healthy personality -- complicated by those 8 lives she drags around with her -- while he frets about being lonely and bored. Bashir does meet the woman he sees as the love of his life. But, that is something that happened to him, not something he made happen.
I'd agree, for the most part. Still...poor Ezri.

Ezri has certainly become a very confident and very clever ship's captain, rather like a Very-Sure-Of-Himself captain from an earlier century. Don't know where the Powers That Be want to go with her, but I think she's reached a stage of her development -- thanks to Our Friendly Authors -- to allow her to take the stage with Picard, Riker, Cisco, and Kira as a complex character who merits, and can sustain, novels focusing on her.
I will say that Mack has continued in giving Ezri some brief "quirks" (like her grabbing Julian and Sarina's arms to escort them to their quarters) that tell us this is still the cute, lovable Ezri we know and love--just more dang awesome!

And yes...she seems very much like a female James T. Kirk, as far as command style is concerned.

She needs someone to be her Spock, too. I don't think Sam has that in him, at least as portrayed to date.
Interestingly enough--she may not have a "Spock" in her crew, per se, but I'd imagine Sam and Dr. Simon Tarses as being something of a joint McCoy for her (of course, she interacts with Sam a heck of a lot more...).

Those of you who've read my stuff know what I'm talking about.


Anyhow--loving it so far, despite the big explosion between my favorite Trek-couple. Looking forward to see how it all turns out--despite his current relationship with Sarina--

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Old November 4 2010, 07:15 PM   #134
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I finished reading it today. I enjoyed it, maybe it was slightly less great than I anticipated it would be, but still very good.

The Breen stuff and the cold war with the Typhon Pact was interesting and done well.

That said I felt parts of the book were slightly rushed. Esepcially nearer the end of the book a lot of things seemed to come and go quickly.

Second, I didnt like Sarina. And when I dont like a character like that I skip past the sections they are being focused on, and found myself skimming through a few pages. I dont want to say I felt she was out of character as she was only in two episodes, one a timid mute and I would be lieing if I said I remembered enough of the second episode to compare her personality. I actually thought, for a good chunk of the book, she would be a traitor and Bashir would end up killing her. I am glad it didnt go that way though.

My main criticism though was that there was not nearly enough Dax/Aventine.

Overall though I did enjoy it and am looking forward to more Typhon Pact books.
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I actually thought, for a good chunk of the book, she would be a traitor and Bashir would end up killing her. I am glad it didnt go that way though.
That sounds more like Jack Bauer than Julian Bashir.

As for Sarina, I think she now has more in common with the real-life Faith Salie (really loosey-goosey like this undercover operative stuff is second nature), having seen her on Unhappily Ever After, Significant Others, The Red Eye, and Treehugger TV. But I am certainly hoping and praying that what's being exploited is Julian's obsession with vanquishing Section 31, culminating in the 25th century backstory of "The Good That Men Do."
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