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View Poll Results: How would you rate Zero Sum Game?
Outstanding 38 22.22%
Above Average 78 45.61%
Average 45 26.32%
Below Average 8 4.68%
Poor 2 1.17%
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Old January 13 2011, 09:47 PM   #556
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Re: Typhon Pact: Zero Sum Game Review thread

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100 pages into it. Maybe Kira became the Kai, as in STO?
dear god i hope not. the STO storyline is just... i dunno how to describe it. a mockery to star trek
The game is also a mockery to all MMO's unfortunately.
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Old January 13 2011, 09:51 PM   #557
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^ I wouldn't quite go THAT far. I think stuff like this, foreshadowing and hinting at larger stories, was a real strength of the DS9 Relaunch. Heck, more recently, even Vanguard I think has done really well with each book feeling like a small piece in a much larger story, as plot threads slowly develop over the course of several novels. But I think Vanguard succeeds more on this publication timescale because a lot of hinting and foreshadowing also accompanies a steady increase in EPIC AWESOME, where here after the tremendous events of both DS9 Relaunch to date and also the last few 24-th century novels in general, Zero Sum Game feels like moving backwards.

Or maybe I'm overthinking it; it just seemed like nothing really happened, and I was underwhelmed.
Its the build up, excitement that we have for the novel, the first in over a year to continue the story, that i feel has left you and i underwhelmed.

This felt like a standard trek episode to me in content, and that would be fine if there were more releases. Oh, how i wish for that! Don't get me wrong, i am grateful for what we have and the efforts that authors and publishers go to to release these novels, just that if they arent all going to be as huge as the destiny trilogy, i would like to see more of them!
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Old January 13 2011, 09:53 PM   #558
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Oh and I'm surprised that nobody picked up on the (New) Star Trek movie reference.
I've seen that referenced around these parts, made me chuckle when I read it.

Anyway, I finished reading Zero Sum Game yesterday morning, it was ok but not great. I think the anticipation of it and remembering how good on the whole Destiny was, personally left me a little disappointed. There was one point in the story where in focused on Bashir and Douglas for what seemed like a good one hundred pages and I was wanting to find out what was happening onboard Aventine or even back in Paris.
I agree with that - i flicked through to see what chapter we would flick back, and it went on for quite a while - this is not a good sign, and is indicative of the fact that i didnt find the Bashir/Douglas storyline that interesting and/or plausible, which is a shame.
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Old January 13 2011, 10:30 PM   #559
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Old January 14 2011, 12:13 AM   #560
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I would note however that i have not read all the DS9 novels post the end of the series - i am half way through mission gamma book 2, so it is possible that his character may have moved on since then to explain all this.
I would say that while the other DS9 novels we've read so far don't really lead Bashir to that point, there is another four years or so of story time in-between.
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Old January 23 2011, 10:58 PM   #561
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I would note however that i have not read all the DS9 novels post the end of the series - i am half way through mission gamma book 2, so it is possible that his character may have moved on since then to explain all this.
I would say that while the other DS9 novels we've read so far don't really lead Bashir to that point, there is another four years or so of story time in-between.
I absolutely have to agree besides his having been on Deep Space Nine for thirteen years while everyone else including nearly all the DS9-relaunch characters having moved on to bigger and better things. While I don't follow TrekLit continuity to a tee, ZSG has given me ideas for my own fan-fiction story arcs and in terms of filling in the blanks with my current novel-length story taking place in 2378. Moreover, a different set of circumstances will lead the good doctor to the events of ZSG.
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Old January 24 2011, 01:03 AM   #562
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^I myself am toying with the idea of Julian Bashir--gentleman doctor-spy--going on assignments for S.I., perhaps with the assistance of the occasional beautiful female agent, sent to be his "handler" for the mission (Bashir: "In more ways than one, I trust?" ).

(I'm only half joking. Perhaps it works to bring him closer and closer to the mindset he developes in ZSG....)
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Old January 24 2011, 01:48 AM   #563
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^I myself am toying with the idea of Julian Bashir--gentleman doctor-spy--going on assignments for S.I., perhaps with the assistance of the occasional beautiful female agent, sent to be his "handler" for the mission (Bashir: "In more ways than one, I trust?" ).

(I'm only half joking. Perhaps it works to bring him closer and closer to the mindset he developes in ZSG....)
I agree, I see Bashir as the gentleman spy! Indeed this was developed to a certain point way back in the series. But he is the 'gentleman' spy - i.e he wouldnt kill 6 people in cold bood like that.
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Old January 24 2011, 01:57 AM   #564
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^The idea of a "gentleman spy" is a fictional construct. Here, Bashir found himself as a real spy, and naturally the reality of the job was a lot dirtier than the comfortable conceits of fiction.
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Old January 24 2011, 03:12 AM   #565
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Using Bashir as a spy worked well in Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges, where his medical skills were actually useful. The only reason SI sent him on this mission was because he was genetically enhanced.
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Old January 24 2011, 05:54 AM   #566
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Using Bashir as a spy worked well in Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges, where his medical skills were actually useful.
I think you're mis-remembering "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges."



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Old January 24 2011, 09:42 PM   #567
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^Of course--but an essential element to lead to his false assumption (leading in turn to his being decieved) was that he would medically deduce that Koval did in fact had the affliction in question.

This led him to assume that 31 would assasinate Koval under the guise of said affliction. Therefore, his skills as a doctor were necessary for The Bureau's plans.

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^The idea of a "gentleman spy" is a fictional construct. Here, Bashir found himself as a real spy, and naturally the reality of the job was a lot dirtier than the comfortable conceits of fiction.
Quite--which actually explains the strong appeal of Daniel Craig's Bond (and Jack Bauer, of course), who is far "dirtier" than previous Bonds, and far more often is forced to make some very dark choices.

But returning to my point--that Bashir would be used to his being a "gentleman spy" for SI helps increase the impact for him, as he is in ZSG thrown full force into the dark underworld of hard-core espionage. Again, a radical transformation from James Bond to Jack Bauer....
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Old January 25 2011, 01:06 AM   #568
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^The idea of a "gentleman spy" is a fictional construct. Here, Bashir found himself as a real spy, and naturally the reality of the job was a lot dirtier than the comfortable conceits of fiction.
Isn that missing my point though Christopher? I'm arguing that the Bashir I know would never even conceive of carrying out such acts, let alone literally doing them. Perhaps the Bashir that I know, the Bashir of DS9 seasons 1-7 no longer exists.
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Old January 25 2011, 01:21 AM   #569
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^Well, yes, that is my point -- that the book shows Bashir undergoing a change from the Bashir we knew. People can change, especially when they're in love. Since Bashir is in love with Sarina, he let her talk him into doing something he never would've contemplated otherwise.
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^Oddly enough, to me, that sounds exactly like the Bashir I knew from the series. Starry-eyed, gullible, and naive when it comes to women he's even slightly interested in.
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