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Old October 19 2010, 11:27 PM   #31
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Re: Iron Man 3 to Launch Summer 2013

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20th Century Fox had been short-sighting Singer ever since the first movie. They gave him six months less time on a restricted budget for the first movie, they still cut his budget for the second movie requiring him to cut characters and sequences like Sentinels, the Danger Room and Angel
But would those movies really have been better if he'd gotten all he wanted? Was Superman Returns better than X2?
I prefer X2 over Superman Returns, but I think it has more to deal with Singer's penchant for dealing with multi-character storylines with allegorical themes. He was able to connect more with the X-Men than with Superman, something later on he was able to admit.

I think had Rothman allowed him to do what he really wanted to do, he would have really made the first two movies even better than they were. After hearing Michael Dougherty's comments on what their X-Men 3 would have been, I have no doubt had Fox and Rothman given Singer creative control X3 could have been the best X-Men movie, instead of the worst.

I guess we'll see with X-Men: First Class, which has Singer involved as a producer with a story credit. I'm not so willing to suddenly write off Singer after one mediocre movie- this is, after all, the man that directed The Usual Suspects and the first two wonderful X-Men movies, and I thought Valkyrie was pretty good as well.

I should also add that I absolutely adore Superman Returns, so everything I just said might be null and void ( ), but I don't quite see it as the "mediocre" or "flawed" film that most do. Then again, I know I'm in the minority on that one.
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Old October 19 2010, 11:30 PM   #32
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You're forgetting "Apt Pupil" as well which is excellent.
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Old October 19 2010, 11:31 PM   #33
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I didn't like Apt Pupil so much. It was a well-made film, but I couldn't quite resonate with it. I should also mention Public Access, since we're on the topic of Singer-directed films, which was Singer's first feature-length film and even though it's hard to find, it was very good.
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Old October 20 2010, 12:00 AM   #34
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I've not seen "Public Access" my first Singer film was "X-Men". I didn't see "The Usual Suspects" until after it came out...oh and Happy Birthday Favs!
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Old October 20 2010, 01:21 AM   #35
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X2 was one of the best superhero movies ever. Too bad the next two X-Men movies sucked so badly.
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Old October 20 2010, 01:49 AM   #36
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Agreed.
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Old October 20 2010, 02:40 AM   #37
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I hope they do it better this time and keep the storylines a bit on the short side, i.e. too many plotlines make up one messed up movie.

The premise of Stark slowly dying by the very tech that's keeping him alive as intriguing yet they copped out of it by inventing some "magic" new element that totally cured him.

The same applies to the villain.. every hero needs a good villain. This was what made The Dark Knight so awesome.. Heath Ledger's Joker was just brilliant (in fact he was more interesting than Batman himself ) but IM2's Justin Hammer was just a tool and an idiot and Rourke's Whiplash just wasn't enough to produce real menace.

For the movie to work well we need an opponent who is on an equal level with Stark and the Mandarin certainly fits that description. If it's well done keep his original background of finding the alien rings which are so advanced they seem like magic.. make him a chinese industrialist with the backing of China and you got your movie.

Or take the Armor Wars storyline.. also an excellent basis for a movie.

But whatever they do they need to keep the core team together.. Favreau just gets superhero movies and i have faith him despite the somewhat weaker IM2 as opposed to IM1. Keep the studio meddling low and do your thing.
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Yeah IM3 needs to have a plot that is much leaner... cut the extra crap. Build up a good villain. Ditch the Avengers tie-ins. (which really pulled down IM2 - IMO)

After IM2 my enthusiasm for the series, which was very high after IM1, is pretty low at the moment. I hope they can get back to the basics of IM1.
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I think Faveuru and Thoreux missed the boat by completely avoiding the Mandarin in the sequel and using someone else that is considered a B Level villain in the Marvel universe. They tried to make an emotional connection by having Ivan's father be the person who created arc technology and Howard stole it but that was something that was never really addressed. I contend again that Tony was his own worst enemy in the film and he needed to be dragged down (I do see why fans always bring up the Demon in the Bottle storyline but it really was touched on from the very beginning of the film) and shown his mistakes and arrogance, so that he could realize the heroism inside of him and leadership abilities. It really was a set up for "Avengers". I think that with "The Avengers" out of the way that "Iron Man 3" can go back to focusing on Tony and complete the cycle started in the first film.
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