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Old February 25 2011, 09:39 PM   #121
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My idea involves "a world that publicly acknowledges ghosts", "embraces the time since the last film" and doesn't have a "heavy-handed possing the torch" tone that permeated Tron Legacy. Other than that, your idea is indeed a "completely different approach".
I meant completely different from the previous two films not your ideas... Chill dude!


I think any of ours ideas have as much possibility of being made as Aykroyd 's at this point. Which means none at all.
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Old February 25 2011, 09:54 PM   #122
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My Blair Witch idea won't get made lol. Unless Sony buys the rights from Artisan or whoever has them.
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Old February 25 2011, 11:07 PM   #123
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The more and longer this movie doesn't get made the better I say. There's no conceivable way a good movie can be done. Not with Ramis being fat, not with Murray being a prima donna dick to the nth degree, and especially not after Year One (Ugh!). There's just almost nothing to look forward to in a sequel. Literally nothing.

The second movie was already dumbed/watered down by the cartoon (which was darker and truer to the first movie than the second movie). So I'm not sure why a sequel would carry any interest with GB fans at all. And I'm a huge GB fan, love the first movie, love the cartoon series had all of the toys growing up.

I do not want a third movie. Not 20 years after the second one, not with the state of the three principal actors and how old they are and how they are in their careers right now and not with how Hollywood goes about doing sequels, or pretty much anything, these days especially when it comes to comedies.

What I'd much rather see? A serious reboot. I know that's almost sacrilege and Hollywood's track record with reboots is hardly any better than it is with sequels to decade-old franchise (especially comedy ones. Remember how terrible Men in Black 2 was five years after the first one?)

Do a "reboot" and take a dark and somewhat serious tone with the series. Don't make it an action-comedy make it a bit more serious. You don't have to go completely dark but it'd be possible to play it straight with enough thought put into it. Make it like Die Hard only with ghosts or something. (And find a better way to achieve a climax than the "demigod takes over the world" one. Because if anything that's a lame climax for both movies as means the world survived two apocalyptic scenarios in the span of five years pretty much on dumb luck.

If Peter hadn't fucked up their funding at Columbia, if Egon hadn't gotten that final data at the library job, if Ray hadn't taken out another mortgage on his parents' home, if Dana hadn't called the Ghostbusters, if any number of things were just slightly different the world would have ended. It didn't simply out of dumb luck. I now plots and contrivances like this are fairly "common" in movies but rarely is the likely outcome of the contrivances the end of the world.

Like if all of the contrivances in "Die Hard" hadn't happened (namely a bat-shit out of his mid NYC Police Officer hadn't met up with his estranged wife in an office building that was going to be the target of a heist) no big deal. A guy basically robs a vault.

If the contrivances in "Ghostbusters" (or Ghostbusters 2) hadn't happened the world would be over!

Or, fuck it, go full-hog and piss off half of the world's population and have the Ghostbusters fight Jesus/God and stop the "actual" apocalypse from happening.
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Old February 25 2011, 11:16 PM   #124
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If Peter hadn't fucked up their funding at Columbia, if Egon hadn't gotten that final data at the library job, if Ray hadn't taken out another mortgage on his parents' home, if Dana hadn't called the Ghostbusters, if any number of things were just slightly different the world would have ended. It didn't simply out of dumb luck. I now plots and contrivances like this are fairly "common" in movies but rarely is the likely outcome of the contrivances the end of the world.
I think you're stretching to name some of those plot contrivances. There's nothing to say that they still wouldn't have become Ghostbusters had their funding at the University fallen through, they just would have been better funded Ghostbusters who didn't have to eat Chinese take out on petty cash.
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Old February 25 2011, 11:18 PM   #125
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Peter didn't fuck up their funding at Columbia...the Dean had a personal vendetta and was a skeptic to their activities and used that last event to shut them down.
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Old February 25 2011, 11:42 PM   #126
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And if Peter hadn't instigated that "last event" by pretty much going against his job, all scientific credibility and even his own study! Then the last event to push the dean over the edge wouldn't have occurred.

My point is a series of happenstances occurred that allowed the Ghostbusters to come into existence any number of them could have delayed their coming to be. If they had managed to get funding from Columbia the red-tape and bureaucracy between "we'll fund your research" and the check being cleared would have taken longer than the "take out a mortgage on your house, Ray" part.

IIRC the events of the movie take place over the course of a few weeks maybe a few months (at the beginning Louis mentions his party, during the climax of events the party is occurring so however long Louis was planning his party is how long the movie takes place over) if anything had happened just a little bit differently the entire world would have ended.
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Old February 26 2011, 01:22 AM   #127
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And like you said yourself, that could be true of any movie.
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Old February 26 2011, 01:47 AM   #128
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Well, like I said it seemed "heavier" in Ghostbusters given the apocalyptic scenario most of the time it'll just mean some terrorists or criminals win the day but the world will mostly go on.

Not that all of existence owes itself to a happenstance of events that were tenuously built up over the course of a few weeks.
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Old February 26 2011, 02:17 AM   #129
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I like the idea of Ghostbusters, Inc. Franchising the business. Wonder if Egon and Ray would let Peter do that in the first place?
I can't imagine a GBIII featuring franchised Busters outlets that doesn't completely negate the scrappy quality that made the team so lovable back in the day, which is why I made sure to keep them in the underdog position in my idea. Franchised and successful Ghostbusters strike me as being about as tonally appropriate as an observant Orthodox Jewish 007.
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Old February 26 2011, 03:15 AM   #130
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Keep in mind Venkman drools over the idea of "franchising" after they get the loan in GB1.
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Old February 26 2011, 03:57 AM   #131
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So? Jason Bourne dreams of a peaceful, unharried life, but it's his prowess at running and dodging that makes him interesting. Besides, as far as franchising the outfit goes, wouldn't those with the tech (mainly Egon, methinks) by default be calling the shots?
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Old February 26 2011, 03:59 AM   #132
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So? Jason Bourne dreams of a peaceful, unharried life, but it's his prowess at running and dodging that makes him interesting. Besides, as far as franchising the outfit goes, wouldn't those with the tech (mainly Egon, methinks) by default be calling the shots?
Depends on how they set-up their business. Venkman may have been put in charge of the financial decisions he did, afterall, make the deal on buying the Firehouse, seemed the most concerned about Ray's purchase of car and we see him doing all of the business dealings and anything having to do with money (namely the fee at the end of the hotel scene.) So Peter may have had the power in their business to franchise it out including the use of the equipment which would be patented anyway and thus not likely to be a big-deal to Egon on letting trained people use.
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Old February 26 2011, 04:16 AM   #133
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It doesn't even have to be franchising. But when you think about it, NY can't be the only city with problems, and it's a bit unrealistic to think it is, and if other places are as busy as NY is, then it's natural to assume they would either be busy travelling to other location, or that they're in such demand that they've found some way to get funded in order to build a franchise. Maybe franchise isn't the word though. Maybe it's more like divisions in charge of different locations around the world. Maybe by the time of the GB3 timeline, they're funded by the government.
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Old February 26 2011, 04:17 AM   #134
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Hell, the cartoon series had them traveling all over the country, the world and even into space to fight ghosts!
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Old February 26 2011, 04:26 AM   #135
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NY can't be the only city with problems, and it's a bit unrealistic to think it is
Unrealistic to think that NYC has more bad vibes/mojo than anyplace else?

... I'll buy that.



As for the business aspect, just because Egon let Venkman run the outfit doesn't mean he'd let him set up a whole corporation (which, let's be honest, he probably wouldn't be smart or patient enough to do anyway). Not saying he wouldn't, just that it could go either way, and that I stand by my point of the crucialness of the underdog aspect.


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