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Old October 5 2010, 10:03 PM   #31
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Re: Why do non-fans think we think it's real?

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Over the years I have been teased a bit about being a "Trekkie", but I only shake my head when I think about the football fans that paint faces and bodies.....
Exactly!

When I became assistant executive director of the agency I worked for, I hung a UFP flag in my new office. The executive director seriously questioned whether it was appropriate -- what affect would it have on my image as a leader of the organization? This was the same person who showed up every Friday in baseball season in an Orioles shirt, and every Friday in football season in a Ravens shirt!

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Old October 5 2010, 10:32 PM   #32
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It doesn't help that the general media perpetuates the cliche of us as a collection of socially inept wackjobs.
Correction: Socially inept wachjob virgins

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Old October 5 2010, 11:15 PM   #33
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Re: Why do non-fans think we think it's real?

^ If any of them would bother visiting MISC they would know that we are not virgins... or sexually repressed for that matter. Most of us are some kinky monkeys.


I have often wondered about this myself and the origins of it. The social stigma for being a Trek Fan is not pleasant. From the silly skits done by SNL to all the nerd jokes bandied about, its a miracle we haven't been rounded up and interned. To be honest, I consider myself a "Closet Trekkie" and have no real interest in discussing Trek in my RL, unless it is with close friends. I do not want people making assumptions about me. But I don't fit the stereotype anyway and the people who do know have a hard time processing it. I love it when they come into my home studio and see all the sci-fi toys scattered all over the place. They don't know what to make of it. But I also get weird looks from people when I go to the comic book store. They make it very clear that I don't belong there based on my appearance. Now once they get to know me... that is another story.

Maybe we need to work, as a group, to change our image. As a demographic we are some of the most inventive and intelligent people on the planet. From the space program to inventing cellphones, Trek fans have changed the world several times over in the last forty years. I think we need to remind the common folk of that.
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Old October 5 2010, 11:47 PM   #34
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You trying to say that I don't really live on the Enterprise, I'm gutted!

I have had the same thing happen to me too with some of my friends, they poke fun and ask which planet I'm visiting and if I've seen Spock lately etc.

I put it down to that they have a serious lack of imagination and do not have any form of escapism themselves.
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Old October 6 2010, 01:00 AM   #35
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I think it was harder in years before. In the past twenty years or so fans of every stripe have come out embracing some aspect or other of pop culture. Yes, I did get some grief when I was a teenager in the '70s, but after that no one ever hassled me about ever. Today everyone I know knows I'm a Star Trek fan and no one treats me oddly or utters a word. And if the subject arises I don't hesitate to admit to it matter-of-factly and without reservation or awkwardness. No grief.
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Old October 6 2010, 04:55 AM   #36
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Re: Why do non-fans think we think it's real?

Did anyone but me notice MYTHME has a rockin' Avatar? (It is in post #12 in this thread) Is this one of the real Orion slave girls or just a hot chick dressed up like one?
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Old October 6 2010, 05:05 AM   #37
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Real? That character is from the Enterprise episode "Bounty". But she is a real human with green make-up on. She is also really hot.

Wait... did I break the illusion? Sorry! She is a real Orion Slave Girl and not actress Cyia Batten. Is that better?
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Old October 6 2010, 02:05 PM   #38
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It doesn't help that the general media perpetuates the cliche of us as a collection of socially inept wackjobs.
I am NOT socially inept!




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Old October 6 2010, 02:10 PM   #39
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A fictional franchise is only mildly comparable to a sports team, unless you're talking about something like the WWE.
Oh, I find it completely comparable. We're both nothing more than fans of a form of entertainment.
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Old October 6 2010, 02:22 PM   #40
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Because they need to get a life.
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Old October 6 2010, 03:02 PM   #41
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Why? 'Cause they're soulless idiots.
That, too.
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Old October 6 2010, 03:33 PM   #42
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You trying to say that I don't really live on the Enterprise, I'm gutted!

I have had the same thing happen to me too with some of my friends, they poke fun and ask which planet I'm visiting and if I've seen Spock lately etc.

I put it down to that they have a serious lack of imagination and do not have any form of escapism themselves.
It has always been easier for people to ridicule and put down things they don't understand. It's even easier to do if it's two or more against one...
"Let's lynch the Trekkie. It's fun, and it reaffirms our coolness in the process..."

It doesn't help that Trekkies do the same thing to each other about various aspects or versions of Trek...
"Your Trek is dead and cheesy. Our Trek is cooler and is teh awesomeness."

"Whatever" applies to both, IMO...
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Old October 6 2010, 04:22 PM   #43
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A fictional franchise is only mildly comparable to a sports team, unless you're talking about something like the WWE.
Oh, I find it completely comparable. We're both nothing more than fans of a form of entertainment.
Not at all. Most sports are contests of skill in which the outcome is not predetermined. This kind of spectacle attracts people for different reasons than watching scripted stage or film performances does, and the kinds of emotional investment that fans make are also different in most cases.

This is one reason that despite the fact that there are thousands of examples of better films and novels than anything produced for Star Trek there are not examples of devoted, organized fan groups for each of them. Trek fandom is an idiosyncracy of the Franchise - not unique, but far from a typical or necessary expression of audience enthusiasm for art.

Equating fiction with athletics is just defensive foolishness; they're distinct kinds of human endeavor. Our eagerness to ignore that or to equate such things may be one reason others perceive us as "socially inept."
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Old October 6 2010, 04:31 PM   #44
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Yeah...but then after saying all that we can just say that we're both fans of something again.
I think that's what Forbin was getting at. The fan thing. I don't think he thinks Star Trek is like a sports team.
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Old October 6 2010, 04:38 PM   #45
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Yeah...but then after saying all that we can just say that we're both fans of something again.
I think that's what Forbin was getting at. The fan thing. I don't think he thinks Star Trek is like a sports team.
It makes a lot of difference in how the fan following for such things is perceived and functions, though.

There's a big difference between a basketball fan playing a pick-up game while wearing a team jersey and a Trek fan playing Star Trek while made up as a Klingon.

Nice avatar, BTW. Flatters the old curmudgeon.
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