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Old August 27 2010, 06:00 PM   #1
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Is TOS really part of Trek Canon?

The show is so old and out of date now that it seems like it would just be easier to leave it out.

Why confuse new fans with two different Captain Kirks or Klingons who don't like Klingons? Why not just erase the cheesy design of the original Enterprise?

With new Trek in place, can't we finally, thankfully drop TOS out of official canon?
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Old August 27 2010, 06:05 PM   #2
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The show is so old and out of date now that it seems like it would just be easier to leave it out.

Why confuse new fans with two different Captain Kirks or Klingons who don't like Klingons? Why not just erase the cheesy design of the original Enterprise?

With new Trek in place, can't we finally, thankfully drop TOS out of official canon?
Sure... as long as you take everything that originated within that show out of the later series. But then you really wouldn't have anything, would you?

We should take God out of the Bible too. The concept really is kind of cheesy.
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Old August 27 2010, 06:11 PM   #3
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YARN--Though I would love for the cheesy and the sexist elements of TOS to be removed just as much as you would, the only trouble with that is that with the change in the timeline, NONE of the events that followed, to include TOS (and the TOS movies), TNG (and the TNG), DS9, and VOY, would have happened the same way.

ENT is the ONLY series those two timelines have in common. (And there's even reason to suspect ENT might have played out slightly differently, given the Borg temporal incursion and the Temporal Cold War, and the different theories that could be applied to those events.)
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Old August 27 2010, 06:12 PM   #4
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Re: Is TOS really part of Trek Canon?

I feel a bit silly saying this but this sounds like a troll specifically designed for a Star Trek board.

I can understand new fans not being into the original Trek, but if you think it's so bad as to say that, it then surprises me you'd like any Trek at all.

And for what it's worth, I'm 37 and became a Trek fan in 1986 all due to TOS (no TNG yet) but still absolutely loved the new movie.
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Old August 27 2010, 06:14 PM   #5
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Did someone really just ask if TOS was cannon
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Old August 27 2010, 06:16 PM   #6
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oh noes! da Canon!
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Old August 27 2010, 06:19 PM   #7
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Did someone really just ask if TOS was cannon
With retroactive continuity anything is possible.

We might regard TOS as a sort of honored rough draft which got the universe started up.
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Old August 27 2010, 06:23 PM   #8
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Did someone really just ask if TOS was cannon
With retroactive continuity anything is possible.

We might regard TOS as a sort of honored rough draft which got the universe started up.
The thing is when you think about it, the whole reason we got this new movie that was so much fun was not because they felt the original Star Trek was old and needed fixing but because it was the best and most fun one to build off of.
Kirk, Spock McCoy and the rest provide the most excitement and fun and so many other great adjectives for us that that was the best thing they could do for a new movie.
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Old August 27 2010, 06:25 PM   #9
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Old August 27 2010, 06:25 PM   #10
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Did someone really just ask if TOS was cannon
With retroactive continuity anything is possible.

We might regard TOS as a sort of honored rough draft which got the universe started up.
NO all Trek Cannon stems from TOS if TOS is not then niether is TNG, VOY, DS9, or ENT.
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Old August 27 2010, 06:26 PM   #11
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Did someone really just ask if TOS was cannon
With retroactive continuity anything is possible.

We might regard TOS as a sort of honored rough draft which got the universe started up.
The thing is when you think about it, the whole reason we got this new movie that was so much fun was not because they felt the original Star Trek was old and needed fixing but because it was the best and most fun one to build off of.
Kirk, Spock McCoy and the rest provide the most excitement and fun and so many other great adjectives for us that that was the best thing they could do for a new movie.
But now we have a new ship in a new universe with new actors, so why not just say that the story starts with the last film? A fresh start.
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Old August 27 2010, 06:30 PM   #12
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But.. That's not the way it happened.
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Old August 27 2010, 06:32 PM   #13
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We might regard TOS as a sort of honored rough draft which got the universe started up.
I really find this hilarious. Star Trek contributed so much to Modern Trek it isn't funny. I'm pretty sure Modern Trek would fall apart without those elements. And every series has made specific nods to that time period and the events of Star Trek.

McCoy in Encounter at Farpoint
Scotty in Relics
Spock in Unification
Kang, Kor and Koloth in Blood Oath
Sulu in Flashback
The Defiant from In a Mirror, Darkly
Spock Prime in Star Trek 2009

And many, many more.

Most people like the sense of history that the franchise has and part of that history is Star Trek.
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Old August 27 2010, 06:37 PM   #14
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and i don't think fans are confused that nukirk is played by someone else.
it would be more confusing if old fat william shatner was playing a young man.
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Old August 27 2010, 06:37 PM   #15
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I feel a bit silly saying this but this sounds like a troll specifically designed for a Star Trek board.

I can understand new fans not being into the original Trek, but if you think it's so bad as to say that, it then surprises me you'd like any Trek at all.

And for what it's worth, I'm 37 and became a Trek fan in 1986 all due to TOS (no TNG yet) but still absolutely loved the new movie.
More like a joke, but sooner or later someone will say it in earnest, so this thread serves as a sort of thought experiment or exercise for folks who really take these boundaries seriously.
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