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Old March 1 2011, 09:02 AM   #196
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Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

Oh that was a great episode.
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Old March 1 2011, 09:23 AM   #197
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I should've known this was going to be one of those stories about "patriots" staging an enemy attack to fire up passions against the enemy or bring the country together or whatever. How many times has that been the basis for a story? There's probably a TV Tropes entry for it. (Yup, kind of -- it appears to be a subset of False Flag Operation.)
The only thing missing from the 24 playbook would be if it turned out the domestic terrorists and Middle Eastern terrorists were in on the plot together... and Adrian Pasdar was the mastermind... and the nuke was a diversion for something bigger.
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Old March 1 2011, 09:28 AM   #198
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Did you notice one of the bad guy's names was "Bauer"?
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Old March 1 2011, 02:15 PM   #199
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Ok, having the whole Beckett passing out/dying and then the somber Title card (WTF?!) only to have it be immediately resolved post title was a mahussive! cocktease/copout.

But, Castle's post bomb victory dance is a .gif I MUST possess. That more than made up for it.
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Old March 1 2011, 02:38 PM   #200
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Did you notice one of the bad guy's names was "Bauer"?
And the other guy's given name was "Jack."
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Old March 1 2011, 06:35 PM   #201
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And the funniest thing to me was that our head of security here at work is named Mark Fallon too.
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Old March 1 2011, 06:36 PM   #202
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btw, is it currently illegal or something to have a plot about actual Islamic terrorists? Did they have to make it American traitors?
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Old March 1 2011, 06:56 PM   #203
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Nathan reading a passage from "Naked Heat". Watch it for Stana's reactions if for nothing else.
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Old March 1 2011, 07:49 PM   #204
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Did you notice one of the bad guy's names was "Bauer"?
And the other guy's given name was "Jack."
Heh, forgot about that! Nice little digs.
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Old March 1 2011, 08:58 PM   #205
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btw, is it currently illegal or something to have a plot about actual Islamic terrorists? Did they have to make it American traitors?
It is something of a cliched, discredited, and rather racist trope to stereotype Arabs and/or Muslims as terrorists. It certainly would not be a good thing to embrace that trope uncritically. There's also the fact that this is a mystery show, remember, so it's supposed to engage in misdirection. We're conditioned by fear and ignorance to expect terrorists to be Middle Eastern and/or Muslim (and to mistakenly assume those are automatically the same thing), and so a mystery story wishing to mislead us about the identity of a terrorist would naturally lead us to suspect a Middle Eastern or Muslim character and then reveal otherwise.

Besides, it's just true to life. In the hours after the Oklahoma City bombing, the media pundits were all jumping to the conclusion that it was an Islamist attack until it turned out to be the work of domestic anti-government militants avenging Ruby Ridge and Waco. And that was six years before 9/11 (although two years after the first al-Qaeda bombing at the WTC). The "Arab terrorist" stereotype has been around in American mythology for quite a while, so it would be a smart move for any aspiring terrorists to find Arab or Muslim patsies to blame for it. As Fallon's reactions showed, it's just the sort of thing we'd fall for.
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Old March 1 2011, 10:18 PM   #206
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All true, but the fact remains that Al Queda et all ARE still out there and still trying to screw with us. But it seems lately that if the entertainment industry dares make a terrorist in a TV show (or movie) an Islamic type, cries of racism and profiling and such immediately arise. It's not that there aren't domestic terrorists, but it seems like Hollywood is afraid to tackle the non-PC side of the story. Acknowledging that there are Islamic fundamentalists out to get us doesn't make us evil. But Hollywood would rather insult our own armed forces than be non-PC about an ethnic group.
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Old March 1 2011, 11:13 PM   #207
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But Hollywood would rather insult our own armed forces than be non-PC about an ethnic group.




Really?
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Old March 2 2011, 12:13 AM   #208
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All true, but the fact remains that Al Queda et all ARE still out there and still trying to screw with us.
Actually al-Qaida has always been primarily focused on overthrowing secular regimes in the Mideast. They only targeted us because we backed those regimes, and because we made a convenient scapegoat to stir up hatred against. And if anything, recent events in the Mideast have demonstrated just how marginal al-Qaida has become, since they've played no role in the ongoing rebellions and demonstrations beyond watching them ineffectually from a distance and issuing statements pretending that the largely secular uprisings have anything to do with what they stand for. Our fear of the threat from al-Qaida is far greater than their actual threat to us, and this 2-parter did a good job of demonstrating that -- while also acknowledging that people like Fallon do play an important role in making sure they don't become a bigger threat.

But it seems lately that if the entertainment industry dares make a terrorist in a TV show (or movie) an Islamic type, cries of racism and profiling and such immediately arise.
Which is because there's a dearth of portrayals of Arabs or Muslims as anything other than terrorists. That's the real problem. Even when Arab or Persian actors like Tony Shalhoub or Sarah Shahi get starring roles as TV protagonists, they never get to play their own ethnicity, and heaven forbid they get to play Muslims, because our culture is so ignorant about Islamic culture that it can't comprehend the idea of a heroic Muslim (even though many American sports heroes have been Muslims, like Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Shaquille O'Neal). It is not "PC" to condemn that as wrong. It is simply fair.

There was a time when criticisms were made about the tendency to stereotype black characters as criminals, addicts, or servants, and those were valid criticisms at the time, because there weren't enough positive portrayals of black characters to make it fair. These days, there are plenty of positive images of black characters in the media, so it's no longer seen as a problem when some black characters are portrayed as criminals. It's understood that it's not about their race.

So if you want to see the "Arab terrorist" trope presented without being criticized, then work toward a media culture that has enough positive images of Arabs and Muslims to balance it out. You're focusing on the wrong end of the issue.
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Old March 2 2011, 01:13 AM   #209
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Old March 2 2011, 01:18 AM   #210
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But Hollywood would rather insult our own armed forces than be non-PC about an ethnic group.




Really?

Apprently, yes.

Note how Christopher gave a well-reasoned, polite response, and you only gave me rolly-eyes.
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