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Old November 4 2010, 11:33 PM   #121
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Re: Why does Germany get the cool novel covers?

Well, yes, of course it does. The Excalibur is named after King Arthur's sword, so a sword symbolizes the ship on the covers.
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Old November 4 2010, 11:49 PM   #122
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Would have been more fun if it's named after the casino hotel in Vegas.
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Old November 5 2010, 12:26 AM   #123
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Well, yes, of course it does. The Excalibur is named after King Arthur's sword, so a sword symbolizes the ship on the covers.
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Would have been more fun if it's named after the casino hotel in Vegas.
Or the pub in downtown Malmö
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Old November 5 2010, 02:37 AM   #124
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Re: Why does Germany get the cool novel covers?

Or my high school yearbook.
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Old November 5 2010, 01:49 PM   #125
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Yeah, that was my thought to. Although I've also been wondering if maybe it's supposed to represent the Excalibur.
The Enterprise-A has an old wooden captain's wheel in Five Forward. We saw it in ST V. The Enterprise-D had a wall display of gold starship shapes. The Enterprise-E had a similar display, with 3D models. I have no problem imagining that, when the old Excalibur blew up, and was replaced by the shiny new one, and Calhoun "returned from the dead", that Shelby and the rest of Calhoun's bridge crew presented him with a sword that represented his war god origins, the Arthurian legend and Starfleet itself, all represented in the one ceremonial sword.
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Old November 13 2010, 04:10 PM   #126
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startrekromane. de has updated their upcoming schedule and as part of that they've put up a cover for Losing the Peace:



By the way: They've added quite a few novels to the 2011 schedule, between January and November they plan to release 17 novels.

What stands out, though, is what they have removed:

Up 'til the update they had Vanguard: Declassified listed for a release in June (simultaneously with the US release) now it isn't listed at all. Add to that that amazon.de has changed the release date for the original US book from June to August and it makes me wonder if the book has been delayed.
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Old November 13 2010, 04:32 PM   #127
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Hmm... Yahoo! Babel Fish says that Losing the Peace in German would be Verlieren des Friedens. When I put in Den Frieden Verlieren the other way, I get "the peace lose." I assume the fault is in Babel Fish rather than the actual book title, but I'm wondering what the explanation is.

And their version of Choudhury still looks kind of like Hoshi.
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Old November 13 2010, 04:46 PM   #128
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startrekromane. de has updated their upcoming schedule and as part of that they've put up a cover for Losing the Peace:

This is the third face of Jasminder they've presented, isn't it? Makes you wonder who's making these calls and how many levels there are to the art approval process.

Up 'til the update they had Vanguard: Declassified listed for a release in June (simultaneously with the US release) now it isn't listed at all. Add to that that amazon.de has changed the release date for the original US book from June to August and it makes me wonder if the book has been delayed.
A simultaneous German translation was probably way too ambitious to begin with.

As to the possible delay for the English release... well, it wouldn't be anywhere near the first time shit happened and the schedule had to be juggled. (Nor would it be the first time an Amazon site posted bad info, either, if that's the case.)
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Old November 13 2010, 04:59 PM   #129
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This is the third face of Jasminder they've presented, isn't it? Makes you wonder who's making these calls and how many levels there are to the art approval process.
I think the "problem" is that they're trying to be fan-friendly, and thus release early cover drafts bigger publishers like S&S wouldn't release. Just speculation on my part, though.

A simultaneous German translation was probably way too ambitious to begin with.
They had only a delay of one month (Open Secrets) and two months (Precipice) for the last two releases, so pretty close to simultaneous releases (at least in the case of Open Secrets).

(Nor would it be the first time an Amazon site posted bad info, either, if that's the case.)
Yeah, that was my first thought, too, espescially since amazon.comn doesn't even lists Declassified yet. It's just a weird coincidence that the German release vanishes from the schedule at the same time.
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Old November 13 2010, 07:37 PM   #130
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startrekromane. de has updated their upcoming schedule and as part of that they've put up a cover for Losing the Peace:


While that isn't quite how I pictured Choudhury, I do like that cover. You've got to admit that it is at least better than what we got here in the US.
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Old November 13 2010, 08:08 PM   #131
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While that isn't quite how I pictured Choudhury, I do like that cover. You've got to admit that it is at least better than what we got here in the US.
Really, no, I wouldn't admit such a thing. Not that I dislike the German cover -- the artist is actually very good. But quite honestly, I never cared for the fact that the back cover made it sound like this was a Jasminder Choudhury novel; putting an anonymous model's giant head on the cover to reinforce that impression I like even less.

Not to mention that, putting her giant scowling face over that scene of destruction, makes her look more than a little like Kali the Destroyer to my mind...
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Old November 13 2010, 08:21 PM   #132
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Hmm... Yahoo! Babel Fish says that Losing the Peace in German would be Verlieren des Friedens. When I put in Den Frieden Verlieren the other way, I get "the peace lose." I assume the fault is in Babel Fish rather than the actual book title, but I'm wondering what the explanation is.
That's why you should treat online translations with great caution, especially those of sentence fragments. You can hardly expect one language's structure to correspond exactly to that of another.

Rest assured that the translation as it appears on the cover is accurate. However, I would have preferred a less literal translation, perhaps even an original title.
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Old November 13 2010, 10:58 PM   #133
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Rest assured that the translation as it appears on the cover is accurate. However, I would have preferred a less literal translation, perhaps even an original title.
Oh? Is there something not quite right about Den Frieden Verlieren?
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I assume the fault is in Babel Fish rather than the actual book title, but I'm wondering what the explanation is.
"Got the silly thing in reverse..." (B. Bunny)
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Old November 14 2010, 12:19 AM   #135
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Rest assured that the translation as it appears on the cover is accurate. However, I would have preferred a less literal translation, perhaps even an original title.
Oh? Is there something not quite right about Den Frieden Verlieren?
I'm just speculating here, but I can see two ways in which the phrase "losing the peace" could be interpreted: a) in the sense of losing a thing that you had, such as losing your hat or losing your marbles (i.e., we had a peace but now it's vanishing); or b) in the sense of facing defeat in a competition, as the inverse of "losing the war" (as in Ben Sisko's line "We're losing the peace, which means a war could be our only hope"). And the translation might be different depending on which of those two senses the translator goes with.
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