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Old September 1 2010, 10:32 PM   #46
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Re: Was What Happened to Lore legal? Opinions, please!

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... Also, Data was found disassembled and was put back together by starfleet.

Sorry SoS, but there you are incorrect. Data was found by Tripoli landind party laying intact out in the open. He was remotely activated upon their arrival.


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Do they have the right to take him apart again as soon as he starts acting up? Perhaps...after a fair trial.

While I detect a hint of sarcasm here, remember that in Clues, Picard tells Data that if Court Marshalled, Star Fleet may strip him down to the wires to figure out what went wrong.
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Old September 1 2010, 10:58 PM   #47
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Re: Was What Happened to Lore legal? Opinions, please!

Having just skim-read the thread, here's my 2 cents: We have to ask one question: could Lore get a fair-trail? Assuming that the Federation legal system has jury of your peers, where's Lore's peers? Meaning that if he was granted the same rights as Data, he couldn't avail himself of his rights cause any one of his peers would be biased against him.

Personally, I think he was just shut down and shipped out to the Daystrom Institute or the Starfleet version of the vault from the end of Raiders Of The Lost Ark. If anyone asks, they're "reviewing" the situation: which means Lore's laying sealed in a shipping container. If you want to go dark, they use him for spare parts when ever Data needs something that can't be replicated.
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Old September 2 2010, 12:33 AM   #48
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Re: Was What Happened to Lore legal? Opinions, please!

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... Also, Data was found disassembled and was put back together by starfleet.

Sorry SoS, but there you are incorrect. Data was found by Tripoli landind party laying intact out in the open. He was remotely activated upon their arrival.


SonsofSoong2338 wrote: View Post
Do they have the right to take him apart again as soon as he starts acting up? Perhaps...after a fair trial.

While I detect a hint of sarcasm here, remember that in Clues, Picard tells Data that if Court Marshalled, Star Fleet may strip him down to the wires to figure out what went wrong.
You are right about that...I had forgotten that Data was intact. With regards to the other part though, I find that to be another example of hypocrisy. Picard fought to have Data treated as a person, and then tells him that he will be torn apart to figure out "what's wrong with him". Human criminals are not often forced to submit to brain surgery to see "what's wrong with them." Utter hypocrisy on Picard's part.
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Old September 2 2010, 12:36 AM   #49
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Having just skim-read the thread, here's my 2 cents: We have to ask one question: could Lore get a fair-trail? Assuming that the Federation legal system has jury of your peers, where's Lore's peers? Meaning that if was granted the same rights as Data, could couldn't avail himself of his rights cause anyone of his peers would be biased against him.

Personally, I think he was just shut down and shipped out to the Daystrom Intistute or the Starfleet version of the vault from the end of Raiders Of The Lost Ark. If anyone asks, they're "reviewing" the situation: which means Lore's laying sealed in a shipping container. If you want to go dark, they use him for spare parts when ever Data needs something that can't be replicated.
I do agree that the most likely thing that would have happened was him being shipped off to some cybernetic research place. As far as a jury of his peers goes....you do have a point. I find it unlikely that his would have been a jury trial. It most likely would have been a bench judgement, hopefully from some emotionless Vulcan who would give some objectivity.
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Old September 2 2010, 12:56 AM   #50
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Re: Was What Happened to Lore legal? Opinions, please!

SonsofSoong2338 wrote: View Post
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SonsofSoong2338 wrote: View Post
... Also, Data was found disassembled and was put back together by starfleet.

Sorry SoS, but there you are incorrect. Data was found by Tripoli landind party laying intact out in the open. He was remotely activated upon their arrival.


SonsofSoong2338 wrote: View Post
Do they have the right to take him apart again as soon as he starts acting up? Perhaps...after a fair trial.

While I detect a hint of sarcasm here, remember that in Clues, Picard tells Data that if Court Marshalled, Star Fleet may strip him down to the wires to figure out what went wrong.
You are right about that...I had forgotten that Data was intact. With regards to the other part though, I find that to be another example of hypocrisy. Picard fought to have Data treated as a person, and then tells him that he will be torn apart to figure out "what's wrong with him". Human criminals are not often forced to submit to brain surgery to see "what's wrong with them." Utter hypocrisy on Picard's part.
Growing up, I doubt my parents entended to bend time and space with my puishment for disobedience. Picard's "stipping you down to your wires" line was likely an "empty threat" simply meaning "you'll be punished and prosecuted severely to find out what happened here." He did not mean that Starfleet would actualy dis-assemble Data.
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Old September 2 2010, 01:08 AM   #51
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Re: Was What Happened to Lore legal? Opinions, please!

I kind of thought it was entirely possible Picard thought Starfleet might disassemble him...to find out what was wrong with him, of course...
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Old September 2 2010, 11:16 PM   #52
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Re: Was What Happened to Lore legal? Opinions, please!

I thought Picard's threat to Data was legitimate, and on the level. Indeed, since Data is the only Soong-type android in Starfleet, why would Starfleet bother to disassemble him to find out what was wrong with him, if they could not put him back together again? If disassembly would mean Data would be unrecoverable, what would have been the POINT of finding out what was wrong?

IMHO, the very fact that Picard even said that to Data (Picard is not the type to make empty or baseless threats), proves that the disassembly need not have been fatal.
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Re: Was What Happened to Lore legal? Opinions, please!

I think you guys should probably also consider the real-life possibility that Picard making that threat (and thereby it's inherent flying-in-the-face of Data's "rights" as a person was probably not something the writers of "Clues" were all too concerned about. That scene was more about communicating to us two things: 1) Picard is really trying to get to the bottom of the mystery and 2) Data clearly was NOT going to budge.
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