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View Poll Results: Does Superman Need A Make-Over?
No. The Traditional Look Is Fine. 33 75.00%
Yes...Like Superman Returns. 7 15.91%
Yes...Like Superman X. 1 2.27%
Yes...Like Clark's Outfit Smallville S9. 0 0%
Yes...Something Totally Different Though. 4 9.09%
Meh...Whatever. 4 9.09%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 44. You may not vote on this poll

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Old August 18 2010, 02:00 PM   #16
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Re: Does Superman Need A Make-Over?

I think out of the pictures posted the traditional look is the best anyway. I don't think any change would actually improve it, it would just be change for the sake of change.
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Old August 18 2010, 02:06 PM   #17
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Re: Does Superman Need A Make-Over?

No I don't think he needs one.
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Old August 18 2010, 04:06 PM   #18
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Re: Does Superman Need A Make-Over?

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I've always been a traditionalist when it comes to Superman ... I didn't even like the slight variations for Superman Returns. I have to say, though, that I adore this one.
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Old August 18 2010, 05:38 PM   #19
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Re: Does Superman Need A Make-Over?

The costume must remain.

As much as I love Reeve, I think the theatrical shorts of the 1940's represent the best screen version. I would love to see the tougher clark and fast paced action scenes of the shorts in the new film.
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Old August 18 2010, 06:03 PM   #20
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And really, any REAL updating of the Superman mythos must dump the Daily Planet anyway. Newspapers were information hubs in those days, with access to information at a faster rate than the average joe. Thus when a crisis, crime or disaster broke out, he could quickly find out and respond. That was the ENTIRE reason for becoming a newspaper man.
I'm not sure the Daily Planet has to be ditched, so much as updated. Professional journalists still have some meaning - and there's a lot of story to be had in the idea of the Fourth Estate. Part of the purpose of being a journalist was Clark as a part of the civilian world, that is part of the civic world. Reworking the Daily Planet as a web-based news organization standing as a bastion of journalistic integrity against the FOXNews/ CNN partisan opinion-mongers, harnassing the power of the man on the street reporter that the web has made possible - that's got a lot of appeal. Part of what makes superheroes work is they present a fantasy world where incorruptible people stand up for the regular person in a way that would never happen in the real world. It'd be nice to imagine a media worthy of respect - expecially in this world.


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The costume must remain.

As much as I love Reeve, I think the theatrical shorts of the 1940's represent the best screen version. I would love to see the tougher clark and fast paced action scenes of the shorts in the new film.
Amen! Superman has never been better than the Fleischer cartoons. That should be a starting point for any new project.
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Old August 18 2010, 06:44 PM   #21
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Re: Does Superman Need A Make-Over?

As long as he doesn't look like the Michelin Man on steroids, I don't really care what his costume looks like. He's super-strong because he's an alien, not because he has Hulk syndrome. Actually, as long as he doesn't look like the Michelin Man or The Blur, I'm fine with it.
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Old August 18 2010, 06:53 PM   #22
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Supes doesn't need a makeover. He needs a filmmaker who is willing to make a movie about who he is: a naive and sincere alien immigrant who fights for Truth, Justice and the American Way.

Filmmakers, if this scares you, stay away. No one wants to see a movie about Genericman.
Hell yeah!


Maybe they should just wait to see how Marvel handles Captain America and just copy that. My hunch is that Marvel knows how to stay true to a superhero characters' core.
I have serious misgivings.

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Old August 18 2010, 07:23 PM   #23
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Lapis Exilis wrote: View Post
I'm not sure the Daily Planet has to be ditched, so much as updated....
Yet again a reason to bring back the Earth 1 Superman. He was a tv reporter/anchorman.

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The costume must remain.

As much as I love Reeve, I think the theatrical shorts of the 1940's represent the best screen version. I would love to see the tougher clark and fast paced action scenes of the shorts in the new film.
Amen! Superman has never been better than the Fleischer cartoons. That should be a starting point for any new project.
I thought he meant the Kirk Alyn version.
Me, I love the G. Reeves version.
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Old August 18 2010, 08:19 PM   #24
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I'm not sure the Daily Planet has to be ditched, so much as updated....
Yet again a reason to bring back the Earth 1 Superman. He was a tv reporter/anchorman.
Ick. The only thing TV "reporters" report these days is their own ill-informed opinons.

Unless they're Jim Lehrer. You want to put Supes on PBS - I have no problem with that.


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The costume must remain.

As much as I love Reeve, I think the theatrical shorts of the 1940's represent the best screen version. I would love to see the tougher clark and fast paced action scenes of the shorts in the new film.
Amen! Superman has never been better than the Fleischer cartoons. That should be a starting point for any new project.
I thought he meant the Kirk Alyn version.
Me, I love the G. Reeves version.
Which was heavily based on the Fleischer cartoons...
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Old August 18 2010, 09:44 PM   #25
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Maybe they should just wait to see how Marvel handles Captain America and just copy that. My hunch is that Marvel knows how to stay true to a superhero characters' core.
I have serious misgivings.

http://www.examiner.com/science-fict...-american-icon
Yeah, truly an enlightening article. The author is a buffoon. "Why do liberals hate America?" Really?
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Old August 18 2010, 11:13 PM   #26
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I'm not sure the Daily Planet has to be ditched, so much as updated....
Yet again a reason to bring back the Earth 1 Superman. He was a tv reporter/anchorman.
Ick. The only thing TV "reporters" report these days is their own ill-informed opinons.

Unless they're Jim Lehrer. You want to put Supes on PBS - I have no problem with that.




Amen! Superman has never been better than the Fleischer cartoons. That should be a starting point for any new project.
I thought he meant the Kirk Alyn version.
Me, I love the G. Reeves version.
Which was heavily based on the Fleischer cartoons...
I was indeed refering to the Fleischer cartoons, some of the most expensive and sophisicated animation of it's day. I agree they would make a good starting point for those making the new film.

Primarily, the Fleischer cartoons show a fast paced style of action we have yet to see in a live action Superman film, that would be very exciting. Donner's Superman is a slower more mythical figure than the Superman in the shorts, and the tech of the time likely wouldn't have allowed the Fleischer style to translate anyway. (who could do anything through high budget animation). With today's tech, it could be done. The Fleisher action setpieces are fantastic, almost Indiana Jones meets Superman.

Secondly, I would like a return to the golden age clark seen in the shorts. Clark is slightly bumbling, but he is shown to be a adventurer and a crusader for Justice. He is the equal of Lois Lane, and thier intelligent banter and competition would be a welcome change of pace from clumsy Clark's antics.
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Old August 18 2010, 11:19 PM   #27
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Re: Does Superman Need A Make-Over?

iguana_tonante wrote: View Post
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Maybe they should just wait to see how Marvel handles Captain America and just copy that. My hunch is that Marvel knows how to stay true to a superhero characters' core.
I have serious misgivings.

http://www.examiner.com/science-fict...-american-icon
Yeah, truly an enlightening article. The author is a buffoon. "Why do liberals hate America?" Really?
Agreed. Calling Joe Johnston Un-American is silly. He made The Rocketeer for heaven's sake, one of the most gee whiz pro-US comic book films ever.
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Old August 19 2010, 01:55 AM   #28
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^That's true. But some of his statements (in the original article) are troubling.
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Old August 19 2010, 02:02 AM   #29
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Nah. Superman Returns showed that the Richard Donner universe still holds up well with only minor updating. I DO think that making the costume resemble the 40s cartoon version was a brilliant idea. Get Mr. Routh back and let's get this show moving!
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Old August 19 2010, 02:18 AM   #30
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HERE you can go through a complete comparison of the costume.

My only real complaint with the Superman Returns costume was no \S/ on the cape. I do understand the technical reason why it wasn't included though.


Chris Reeve's cape.
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