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Old August 15 2010, 03:30 PM   #91
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I believe she is a Librarian.
But why would a librarian need a pager?
Librarians can use pagers for everything. That said, most libraries use pagers for customers when an internet terminal is available.
When I first visited the Public Record Office in England, ten years ago, readers chose a table, and then were assigned a pager and a pigeonhole with the same letter and number. When you ordered a document, you waited for your pager to go off, and then you went to your pigeonhole to pick it up.

That's another thing that has changed since I was in school. On my first research trip after I got my PhD, I discovered that the pagers had been replaced with a web-based system. And the Public Record Office had been renamed the National Archives.
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Old August 15 2010, 03:42 PM   #92
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^Common Era and Before Common Era. It's a bit silly considering they still use Jesus' supposed birth year as the point of differentiation.
Not necessarily. "BC" means "Before Christ," and not everybody believes that Jesus of Nazareth was, in fact, Jesus Christ. Similarly, AD means "anno domini," or "year of the Lord," and not everybody believes that Jesus is Lord.

There's nothing wrong with using the traditional date of Jesus' birth as an epoch: considering the impact that his teachings and followers have had on Western and even world history, it's as good a date as any other. BCE and CE are just more inclusive terms than BC and AD.

Though personally, if we ever do reform our dating system, I would favour making the year 1543 CE the new year zero: that was the year in which Copernicus and Vesalius published their epoch-making works on astronomy and anatomy, and the traditional date for the beginning of the Scientific Revolution.
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Old August 15 2010, 03:46 PM   #93
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Though personally, if we ever do reform our dating system, I would favour making the year 1543 CE the new year zero: that was the year in which Copernicus and Vesalius published their epoch-making works on astronomy and anatomy, and the traditional date for the beginning of the Scientific Revolution.
I'd be very surprised if we ever changed our dating system at this point. If you thought Y2K was bad, just imagine what would happen if we suddenly lost 1500 years!
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Old August 15 2010, 04:53 PM   #94
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Though personally, if we ever do reform our dating system, I would favour making the year 1543 CE the new year zero: that was the year in which Copernicus and Vesalius published their epoch-making works on astronomy and anatomy, and the traditional date for the beginning of the Scientific Revolution.
I'd be very surprised if we ever changed our dating system at this point. If you thought Y2K was bad, just imagine what would happen if we suddenly lost 1500 years!
True. But, hey--I can dream, can't I?
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Old August 15 2010, 08:08 PM   #95
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^Common Era and Before Common Era. It's a bit silly considering they still use Jesus' supposed birth year as the point of differentiation.
Not necessarily. "BC" means "Before Christ," and not everybody believes that Jesus of Nazareth was, in fact, Jesus Christ. Similarly, AD means "anno domini," or "year of the Lord," and not everybody believes that Jesus is Lord.
Yes, I know.

There's nothing wrong with using the traditional date of Jesus' birth as an epoch: considering the impact that his teachings and followers have had on Western and even world history, it's as good a date as any other. BCE and CE are just more inclusive terms than BC and AD..
I don't disagree. My point wasn't about using Jesus' supposed birth year -- I've no problem with that. My point is that changing the terms to be "more inclusive" is a bit silly considering they are still referring to Jesus' supposed birth year.
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Old August 15 2010, 08:25 PM   #96
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Highschool...I had no internet, we were still using guilders and it was always a pain in the proverbial ass when you went shopping in Germany (I live at the border) where everything was in Deutsche Marken ofc. I do miss the rijksdaalder though. As a dutch saying goes: "On the market your guilder is worth a dollar."
My aunt gave me a 1963 rijksdaalder made into a necklace for my 18th birthday, 24 years ago. Speaking of German borders, this aunt lives in Venlo. My parents are from Roermond.
Cool!So you're a Limburgian, I'm from a town near Nijmegen.
Have you been back to the Netherlands since you left?
Yes, quite a few times. My dad worked for C&A and was transferred to Canada by the company. Since our entire extended family lives in Nederland the company paid for us to travel there once a year. I still have fond memories of travelling everywhere on colourful trains during the 70s and 80s, and I regularly crave frietsaus.
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Old August 15 2010, 09:03 PM   #97
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My point is that changing the terms to be "more inclusive" is a bit silly considering they are still referring to Jesus' supposed birth year.
Silly, how?

Do you think it's a trivial thing to compel people to profess the truth of someone else's religion?
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Old August 15 2010, 09:05 PM   #98
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...t would happen if we suddenly lost 1500 years!
Yay... I wouldn't have to make another payment on my mortgages for 1500 years!

I say we go with this idea!
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Old August 15 2010, 09:23 PM   #99
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My point is that changing the terms to be "more inclusive" is a bit silly considering they are still referring to Jesus' supposed birth year.
Silly, how?

Do you think it's a trivial thing to compel people to profess the truth of someone else's religion?
What?

No, I am saying it is a matter of semantics.
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Old August 15 2010, 09:26 PM   #100
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My point is that changing the terms to be "more inclusive" is a bit silly considering they are still referring to Jesus' supposed birth year.
Silly, how?

Do you think it's a trivial thing to compel people to profess the truth of someone else's religion?
What?

No, I am saying it is a matter of semantics.
Except it's not. I explained that it was something more substantial than mere semantics in my post.
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Old August 15 2010, 09:28 PM   #101
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Common Era and Before Common Era. It's a bit silly considering they still use Jesus' supposed birth year as the point of differentiation.
Not necessarily. “BC” means “Before Christ,” and not everybody believes that Jesus of Nazareth was, in fact, Jesus Christ. Similarly, AD means “anno domini,” or “year of the Lord,” and not everybody believes that Jesus is Lord.
Translated properly from the Latin, anno domini means “in the year of our Lord.” So it's technically incorrect to say “the year 1565 A.D.” or “the fourteenth century A.D.” We should say, “Such-and-such happened A.D. 1565.” But nobody says that, of course.
Though personally, if we ever do reform our dating system, I would favour making the year 1543 CE the new year zero: that was the year in which Copernicus and Vesalius published their epoch-making works on astronomy and anatomy, and the traditional date for the beginning of the Scientific Revolution.
I'd make Henry Ford's birth year the new Year One. Of course, by then, babies will be grown in bottles.
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Old August 15 2010, 09:30 PM   #102
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Silly, how?

Do you think it's a trivial thing to compel people to profess the truth of someone else's religion?
What?

No, I am saying it is a matter of semantics.
Except it's not. I explained that it was something more substantial than mere semantics in my post.
I disagree.
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Old August 15 2010, 09:35 PM   #103
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No, I am saying it is a matter of semantics.
Except it's not. I explained that it was something more substantial than mere semantics in my post.
I disagree.
On what grounds?

If you say "it's a matter of semantics," you are claiming that BC/AD and BCE/CE are just different terms that mean the same things.

They aren't. BC and AD have religious meanings that BCE and CE do not, as I clearly indicated.
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Except it's not. I explained that it was something more substantial than mere semantics in my post.
I disagree.
On what grounds?

If you say "it's a matter of semantics," you are claiming that BC/AD and BCE/CE are just different terms that mean the same things.

They aren't. BC and AD have religious meanings that BCE and CE do not, as I clearly indicated.
But her point is that they're still using Jesus' birth as the dividing line, regardless of the terminology used. If someone asked, "When did the Common Era begin?" the answer is still, "It started when Jesus was born."

Unless something else happened that year worth noting, it's still about Jesus.
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I disagree.
On what grounds?

If you say "it's a matter of semantics," you are claiming that BC/AD and BCE/CE are just different terms that mean the same things.

They aren't. BC and AD have religious meanings that BCE and CE do not, as I clearly indicated.
But her point is that they're still using Jesus' birth as the dividing line, regardless of the terminology used. If someone asked, "When did the Common Era begin?" the answer is still, "It started when Jesus was born."

Unless something else happened that year worth noting, it's still about Jesus.
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