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Old July 23 2010, 11:58 PM   #1
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Stunts in Omega Glory

Hi folks,

Though not one of my favorite episodes, Omega Glory is impressive due to the stunt work of Morgan Woodward and William Shatner.

I looked closely and as far as I could tell, both those guys did ALL of their own stunts. And there is A LOT of VERY physical stuff in that episode. That was a rough week for Shatner...

Bravo, guys --I was very impressed!
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Old July 24 2010, 03:06 AM   #2
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I'd have to watch the episode again (and it's largely one of my least favourites) but I'd be quite surprised if it's true. Shatner, unfortunately, usually had stunt doubles for his fight scenes. Ones that often looked nothing like him.
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Old July 24 2010, 06:52 AM   #3
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I'd have to watch the episode again (and it's largely one of my least favourites) but I'd be quite surprised if it's true. Shatner, unfortunately, usually had stunt doubles for his fight scenes. Ones that often looked nothing like him.
And yet he threw himself about with abandon (as did Nimoy) in the opening scenes of Arena.
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Old July 24 2010, 12:43 PM   #4
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I know. I've never quite understood why, in ST and other shows, an actor would do some of their own stunts but not others, especially when some stunts, with obvious 'doubles', were less taxing.
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Old July 24 2010, 08:31 PM   #5
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For the up close shots in numerous Trek episodes, it often looked to me like the actors were going thru the same fight choreography and doing a fine job of it, and I wondered why even have so many cutaways to the not-long-enough long shots of stunt guys whose primary job was definitely not looking like the actors they were doubling!

Like that Kahn fight, I was impressed when Shatner leapt up and grabbed hold of the grill and wrapped his legs around Montalban's neck and then let go of the grill! Even though I'm sure there was plenty of cushion to land on beneath them, it was a great shot. I think they just lingered too long on the two stunt men during the wide view of the fight.

I think their best approach, when it really clicked, was when they utilized stuntmen and actors at the same time. Like when Khan explodes out of his quarters and smacks the hell out of the security guard by the door. Or that time Spock grabbed hold of a charging grunt and hurled him way down the corridor. Stuff like that really sold the greater-than-human strength idea.

Back to the Khan fight, perhaps they could've had more long views of Shatner fighting Khan's stunt-double and vice-versa. There'd be a lot more setups involved there, though, so it would probably be prohibited by time.

Haha, I just checked out the fight with Tracy again on the 'Tube. Yeah, it's just Shatner and Morgan. Good stuff, particularly at the start when he hurls Shatner down to the floor none too gently. I thought Tracy was a great villain of the week. First he had the crazy eyes, and then they gave him an Axe, and then there's the knowledge that he's also a Starship Captain with at least equal training and experience. That guy was intense and I remember actually being scared for Kirk as a kid.
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Old July 24 2010, 09:24 PM   #6
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Haha, I just checked out the fight with Tracy again on the 'Tube. Yeah, it's just Shatner and Morgan. Good stuff, particularly at the start when he hurls Shatner down to the floor none too gently.
Yeah, it's an excellent fight, with all kinds of wrist locks and joint holds, really suggesting a fight between two similarly-trained men.
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Old July 25 2010, 03:19 AM   #7
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The fight in "Court-Martial" is the worst example. Shatner's double has much, much bigger hair than him.
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Old July 25 2010, 07:43 PM   #8
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I try to keep in mind that TOS wasn't originally intended to be seen on huge plasma screens in hi-def, so the sometimes obvious stunt doubles don't bother me. Did people really notice or complain when the show originally aired?
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Old July 26 2010, 08:10 PM   #9
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I try to keep in mind that TOS wasn't originally intended to be seen on huge plasma screens in hi-def, so the sometimes obvious stunt doubles don't bother me. Did people really notice or complain when the show originally aired?
I didn't see it when it originally aired, but yes, I did notice the stunt actors when I saw the reruns after school on a 19" B&W set in the mid-70s.

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Old July 28 2010, 04:41 PM   #10
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I'd have to watch the episode again (and it's largely one of my least favourites) but I'd be quite surprised if it's true. Shatner, unfortunately, usually had stunt doubles for his fight scenes. Ones that often looked nothing like him.
Actually, you can find a number of episodes where Shatner did his own stunt fights. Tomorrow is Yesterday was all Shatner, and there were some complex moves involved. Yes, as you also noticed, he's doubled in some really weird (and easy to do) shots, like in Operation Annhiliate, Spock's rampage on the bridge. He's there for close ups, but not for the distant shots and none of that stuff was tough. Pushing down a guy with a bunch of other guys. Unless Shatner was filming on a different set when they did the far shot, I can't see why he'd ask for a double. Nobody else had one.

He also did the entire fight with Thelev on Journey to Babel. Yep, that's really him jumping up and kicking the wall.
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Old July 28 2010, 06:51 PM   #11
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Jump-Fu is kind of his thing.
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Old August 5 2010, 12:46 PM   #12
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I never noticed the stunt/actor changes until I started watching the shows as an adult and on a larger screen tv.

I did like the fight scene in Omega Glory because it was the 2 actors and it was intense!
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Old August 6 2010, 03:38 AM   #13
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And sometimes actors aren't in the stunts because they can't get all the shots they need with the actors in the time they have, and they do pickups of the fight later with the stuntmen.
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Old August 6 2010, 07:32 AM   #14
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I always thought "The Omega Glory" had the best hand to hand combat of any TOS episode. Indeed, a taxing day for Kirk, not only is he bludgeoned with a metal rod after fisticuffs with Cloud William but he is also later thrust into a brawl to the Death with Tracey!
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Old August 6 2010, 07:42 PM   #15
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True, and Tracey could win a stare off with Bill Adama!
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