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Old August 8 2010, 10:08 AM   #91
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Re: How IRON MAN 2 ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel

Blame Kevin Smith for that nickname because that's where I first discovered it and liked it so I've carried on. Sorry if it's annoying lol.
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Old August 8 2010, 10:55 AM   #92
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Uh oh. What's a double ban like?
A reinstatement. Don't you know that two negatives make a positive?
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Old August 8 2010, 01:02 PM   #93
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I'm confused... when IM2 first came out I thought everybody was gushing over it. But everyone here seems to be negative about it now.
I'm still positive about it. My only real peeve about it is that horrid acdc endmuzak. They really should have stuck with Sabbath.
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Old August 8 2010, 03:25 PM   #94
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i hatz tha endmuzak 2
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Old August 8 2010, 03:44 PM   #95
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I love how another board has an argument about whether to blame Marvel or not.

-Don't blame CEO of Marvel Avi Arad for pushing Venom

-Don't blame Marvel for making IM2 a giant "Avenger's" advertisement
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Old August 8 2010, 05:35 PM   #96
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How about writing Venom correctly instead of the bizarre mesh we got of 616/Ultimate Venom. We essentially got an altered version of Ultimate Eddie mixed with the personality of 616 Eddie. It's like they couldn't make up their minds even which version to use in the movie.
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Old August 8 2010, 05:55 PM   #97
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I'm confused... when IM2 first came out I thought everybody was gushing over it. But everyone here seems to be negative about it now.
I liked the movie but was extremely underwhelmed by it. Sort of like how I felt about Spider-Man 3, although IM2 is better, which isn't saying much.
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Old August 8 2010, 06:12 PM   #98
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Iron Man 2 imo suffers from many the same problems that Spider-Man 3 did except that Iron Man 2 managed to actually entertain it's audience.
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Old August 8 2010, 06:25 PM   #99
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I agree, IM2 was pretty blah and overall a dud compared to IM1.
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Old August 8 2010, 06:26 PM   #100
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How about writing Venom correctly instead of the bizarre mesh we got of 616/Ultimate Venom. We essentially got an altered version of Ultimate Eddie mixed with the personality of 616 Eddie. It's like they couldn't make up their minds even which version to use in the movie.
Venom huffs dong anyway, so it's a moot point.
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Old August 8 2010, 06:50 PM   #101
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He's still mega popular though...I happen to don't think much of Deadpool as a character (I see the attraction of him for readers, ultra violent and funny with the one liners) but yet Marvel has him in like a gazillon books and is planning a movie for him. I don't buy the arguement that Venom is a shite character. He was written pretty good in Ultimate Spider-Man. I'm not saying that he is a compelling character but he wasn't written in the film as he was in the comics.
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Old August 8 2010, 10:20 PM   #102
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I'm not quite sure time has necessarily anything to do with it so much as being allowed to tell a good story without inference. You've hired good filmmakers, now let them do their job and tell their story.

For example, Sam Raimi made Spider-Man 2 only two years after the first Spider-Man and he was allowed to make the film he wanted to make. Spider-Man 3 was released three years after the second film but had a lot of studio and producer inference which led to a compromised quality.

While Favreau did voice concerns that he would be unable to make Iron Man 2 in the timetable that Marvel wanted, I think had he been allowed to make the film uninhibited he could have made a better film. Then again, that was probably only one factor in many that contributed to the lackluster quality of Iron Man 2.
The Venom storyline was one of the best bits of Spider-Man 3 and I can't blame the studio for forcing Venom into the movie. Raimi wanted to focus on Sandman, a character so one-dimensional that Raimi had to give him a bunch of cliches (sick kid, the whole I'm not an evil man crap) in a failed attempt to make him interesting. When that failed, he decided to take a piss on the origin story of Spider-Man, an even worse crime and one that doesn't help the first film if you chose not to ignore the third one.

Seriously, Raimi can take his "complex", not evil villains and cram them.

I can imagine the problems with Marvel didn't help but Favareu did himself no favors by presenting little action in Iron Man 2. He gave us two uncompelling villains. After the impressive racetrack scene, Mickey Rourke's character does nothing but lurk in the background and mumble until he returns in one of the most unimpressive fights of all-time. Sam Rockwell's character was an annoying, bumbling fool who was there only to make Tony Stark's character look good. As the very end, he wasn't even a threat to Pepper Freakin Potts! Some villains they turned out to be.

Add to that instead of doing Demon in a Bottle, Favareau decides to waste time on the "Tony is dying" storyline when we know damn well that isn't going to happen. Marvel might not of helped but the director could have done a lot better job.
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Old August 8 2010, 10:53 PM   #103
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Why do people keep saying they didn't follow up on Tony's alcoholism? Tony plastered himself because he thought he was dying and didn't give a rats arse about anything anymore. He fought War Machine in the Iron Man armor DRUNK at his own birthday party endangering his own guests. Was this a major plot of the movie? No. It was a subplot and a continuation of a conversation on the plane between Tony and Rhodes from the first film. Favs has given an interview or two I believe touching on the Demon in the Bottle storyline from the comics and explaining that he's included elements of it in the films but not used it as an entire plot in the film. One could argue that the main villain in the film was Tony himself. Blinded and arrogant by his new found spotlight as Iron Man, dealing with dying and drowning himself with boos. Valko and Hammer weren't executed well enough I don't think. Hammer as I stated in the original Iron Man 2 discussion thread seemed to be a carbon copy of Tony but flawed. He needed to be less jokey and a little more sinister.
I didn't mean follow up, which is what they did do. I said follow through, which I meant making it the basis for the film, more like the Demon in the Bottle storyline. Wouldn't it have been more compelling if movie Hammer was competent enough an adversary to drive Tony to drinking instead of this blood disease?
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Old August 8 2010, 10:57 PM   #104
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Wow Iron Man fans just won't let go of the Demon in the Bottle story. I still maintain there are enough elements from that arc that have made it into the films i.e. Tony's drinking problem which has been touched on. As for Venom being one of the good parts of Spider-Man 3 did you watch the movie? The build up to Eddie becoming Venom was pretty good I'll grant you that but the actual performance from Topher as Venom was horrid and bizarre. Venom isn't a humorous character except for maybe the odd well timed one timers (I always chalked that up from the symbiont taking pieces of Peter's humor) and the bad sexual jokes were just bad and had no place in the film. I agree with Sandman. Sandman was useless and a fine example of how not to adapt a comic book villain to the silver screen.
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Old August 8 2010, 11:01 PM   #105
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I didn't mean follow up, which is what they did do. I said follow through, which I meant making it the basis for the film, more like the Demon in the Bottle storyline. Wouldn't it have been more compelling if movie Hammer was competent enough an adversary to drive Tony to drinking instead of this blood disease?
You can contrast that with the comics in which Stane basically used Tony's alcoholism against him. Now that was a villain.
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