Angelus instead of Spike (Buffy)

Joe Washington · June 22 2010, 12:50 AM

Let's say Spike never came back from leaving Sunnydale to get back together with Drusilla in Season 3 and when Angel returned from Hell that season, it wasn't Angel who returned but Angelus. Do you think he could taken up Spike's arc from Season 4 to Season 7? Do you think with Angelus, the arc as well as a relationship between Buffy and Angelus would have been darker or twisted? Let's not forget that both Spike and Angelus are mass murderers and have done their share of torturing and tormenting innocents.

June 22 2010, 01:26 AM

Spike killed 2 slayers before coming to Sunnydale...how man did Angelus kill? I never liked Angel all that much and wouldn't have enjoyed BtVS if Spike hadn't returned.

Joe Washington · June 22 2010, 01:36 AM

Yeah, he killed two slayers but that doesn't mean he killed only two people. Just that two of the innocent people he has killed were slayers.

June 22 2010, 01:42 AM

You missed what I was saying...Spike killing 2 slayers seemed like a big deal...meaning he is a force to be reckoned with.

Skywalker · June 22 2010, 02:09 AM

Spike was a puppy compared to Angelus. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time when he killed those Slayers.

Reverend · June 22 2010, 08:25 AM

Joe Washington wrote:

Let's say Spike never came back from leaving Sunnydale to get back together with Drusilla in Season 3 and when Angel returned from Hell that season, it wasn't Angel who returned but Angelus. Do you think he could taken up Spike's arc from Season 4 to Season 7? Do you think with Angelus, the arc as well as a relationship between Buffy and Angelus would have been darker or twisted? Let's not forget that both Spike and Angelus are mass murderers and have done their share of torturing and tormenting innocents.

So would that mean Angelus would have been the one with the chip in his head? Because that's the only way I'd see him sticking around like Spike did.
Not that I'd want to see that story mind. Angel was much better on his own show than on Buffy and Spike just has way more entertainment value. Full stop.

Anwar · June 22 2010, 01:17 PM

After what Angelus did to Jenny Calender, I can't believe anyone would take him seriously as a genuine love interest.

Nick Ryder · June 22 2010, 05:29 PM

I think Spike was a far far more interesting character. Considering that even before he got a soul in Season 7 - he wasn't the psycho-Silence of the Lambs-twisted depraved evil genius vampire like Angelus. Spike was more of a brute and slightly more juvenile in his approaches... sometimes. BUT Spike was a bit more... I dunno... romantic than Angelus. And maybe slightly more feelings driven than simply impulse. "I don't feel like killing tonight... " hell first thing he did after being sired was to sire his mother.

And Angel Season 5 really kinda drove home the differences between Angel and Spike.

CobraCommander · July 12 2010, 08:42 AM

Angelus would have been dust by the end of S3. As Angelus, he was an out of control psychotic killer. It is ironic that in the beginning of his relationship with Spike, he was the ration cool headed one (still evil of course). By the time of their reuniting, Spike could see through Angel's quest to destroy the world as an act of utter madness for world vampiry. He understood the principles of supply and demand. Why bring larger and more powerful beasts to compete for your food supply? Druscilla was simply a child like raving lunatic who only saw things in the short term. She had a few moments of clarity... but they were far in between. I'm glad Spike came back. He doesn't have the blood of Miss Calander on his hands. He's also fun to beat up and kick around

. Cobra

ClayinCA · July 12 2010, 03:39 PM

I think it would have been an interesting idea to have kept Angelus around a lot longer in Angel season four. They could even have made him the resident villain of the show (instead of Evil Cordelia), perhaps bringing Spike on a bit earlier as a surrogate hero.

Kosh Naranek · July 12 2010, 08:20 PM

I always thought that Spike had more layers. It seemed like the show runners strived to make Angel more nuanced whereas Spike just exuded complexity on his own. He could be rational, irrational, emotional and funny. Let us not forget funny. Therefore, Spike always rates higher in my book.

Admiral_Young · July 13 2010, 03:59 AM

Yeah as much as I'm an Angelus fan I think Spike proved to be a far more complex and interesting character which is probably why Joss wanted to use him so much including having him as a love interest/sex buddy for Buffy. Angelus was a lot more ruthless and cunning but Spike had the layers...

Kosh Naranek · July 13 2010, 05:47 PM

My sister just bought me a best of Spike DVD. I was ranting about how Spike was a much better vampire/leading man than Edward of Twilight just to get her goat and she bought me the DVD. It was a nice suprise.

I am having so much fun with it. I am tempted to get the series just for Spike.

ClayinCA · July 13 2010, 06:52 PM

Kosh Naranek wrote:

I am having so much fun with it. I am tempted to get the series just for Spike.

You should get the series, period - it's well worth it!

Admiral_Young · July 14 2010, 02:38 AM

Both of them!

June 22 2010, 12:50 AM	#1
Joe Washington Fleet Captain Location: Providence, Rhode Island, United States	Angelus instead of Spike (Buffy) Let's say Spike never came back from leaving Sunnydale to get back together with Drusilla in Season 3 and when Angel returned from Hell that season, it wasn't Angel who returned but Angelus. Do you think he could taken up Spike's arc from Season 4 to Season 7? Do you think with Angelus, the arc as well as a relationship between Buffy and Angelus would have been darker or twisted? Let's not forget that both Spike and Angelus are mass murderers and have done their share of torturing and tormenting innocents.

June 22 2010, 01:26 AM	#2
Jetfire Guest	Re: Angelus instead of Spike (Buffy) Spike killed 2 slayers before coming to Sunnydale...how man did Angelus kill? I never liked Angel all that much and wouldn't have enjoyed BtVS if Spike hadn't returned.

June 22 2010, 01:36 AM	#3
Joe Washington Fleet Captain Location: Providence, Rhode Island, United States	Re: Angelus instead of Spike (Buffy) Yeah, he killed two slayers but that doesn't mean he killed only two people. Just that two of the innocent people he has killed were slayers.

June 22 2010, 01:42 AM	#4
Jetfire Guest	Re: Angelus instead of Spike (Buffy) You missed what I was saying...Spike killing 2 slayers seemed like a big deal...meaning he is a force to be reckoned with.

June 22 2010, 02:09 AM	#5
Skywalker Admiral	Re: Angelus instead of Spike (Buffy) Spike was a puppy compared to Angelus. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time when he killed those Slayers.

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June 22 2010, 01:17 PM	#7
Anwar Vice Admiral Location: Regina, SK, Canada	Re: Angelus instead of Spike (Buffy) After what Angelus did to Jenny Calender, I can't believe anyone would take him seriously as a genuine love interest.

June 22 2010, 05:29 PM	#8
Nick Ryder Fleet Captain Location: Milwaukee, WI Da Brew City	Re: Angelus instead of Spike (Buffy) I think Spike was a far far more interesting character. Considering that even before he got a soul in Season 7 - he wasn't the psycho-Silence of the Lambs-twisted depraved evil genius vampire like Angelus. Spike was more of a brute and slightly more juvenile in his approaches... sometimes. BUT Spike was a bit more... I dunno... romantic than Angelus. And maybe slightly more feelings driven than simply impulse. "I don't feel like killing tonight... " hell first thing he did after being sired was to sire his mother. And Angel Season 5 really kinda drove home the differences between Angel and Spike. __________________ "Here you are in the club with your bottle full of Bud, you got grillz you got bling, but playa you don't know a thing..." Alice Cooper - Disco Bloodbath Boogie Fever

July 12 2010, 08:42 AM	#9
CobraCommander Lieutenant Commander Location: Nor Cal	Re: Angelus instead of Spike (Buffy) Angelus would have been dust by the end of S3. As Angelus, he was an out of control psychotic killer. It is ironic that in the beginning of his relationship with Spike, he was the ration cool headed one (still evil of course). By the time of their reuniting, Spike could see through Angel's quest to destroy the world as an act of utter madness for world vampiry. He understood the principles of supply and demand. Why bring larger and more powerful beasts to compete for your food supply? Druscilla was simply a child like raving lunatic who only saw things in the short term. She had a few moments of clarity... but they were far in between. I'm glad Spike came back. He doesn't have the blood of Miss Calander on his hands. He's also fun to beat up and kick around. Cobra

July 12 2010, 03:39 PM	#10
ClayinCA Commodore Location: New New Jersey	Re: Angelus instead of Spike (Buffy) I think it would have been an interesting idea to have kept Angelus around a lot longer in Angel season four. They could even have made him the resident villain of the show (instead of Evil Cordelia), perhaps bringing Spike on a bit earlier as a surrogate hero.

July 12 2010, 08:20 PM	#11
Kosh Naranek Captain Location: Elwood P. Dowd's House	Re: Angelus instead of Spike (Buffy) I always thought that Spike had more layers. It seemed like the show runners strived to make Angel more nuanced whereas Spike just exuded complexity on his own. He could be rational, irrational, emotional and funny. Let us not forget funny. Therefore, Spike always rates higher in my book. __________________ "In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me. - Elwood P. Dowd from Harvey

July 13 2010, 03:59 AM	#12
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Angelus instead of Spike (Buffy) Yeah as much as I'm an Angelus fan I think Spike proved to be a far more complex and interesting character which is probably why Joss wanted to use him so much including having him as a love interest/sex buddy for Buffy. Angelus was a lot more ruthless and cunning but Spike had the layers... __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

July 13 2010, 05:47 PM	#13
Kosh Naranek Captain Location: Elwood P. Dowd's House	Re: Angelus instead of Spike (Buffy) My sister just bought me a best of Spike DVD. I was ranting about how Spike was a much better vampire/leading man than Edward of Twilight just to get her goat and she bought me the DVD. It was a nice suprise. I am having so much fun with it. I am tempted to get the series just for Spike. __________________ "In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me. - Elwood P. Dowd from Harvey

July 14 2010, 02:38 AM	#15
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Angelus instead of Spike (Buffy) Both of them! __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.