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Old September 5 2010, 04:42 PM   #1
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Tardis exteior in the Time Vortex?

There's been several threads discussing the exteior of a Tardis and what it might look like, especially the designs by Starsuperion. In Doctor Who there have been scenes which show the Tardis travelling through the Time Vortex and we see it as the Police Box. Now, as we know that the Tardis itself exists in a sort of time bubble (correct if I'm wrong) then shouldn't we see the actual Tardis exterior within the Time Vortex as I'm assuming that these two realms are the same?

It would be interesting to see the actual exterior on screen and I think this could be the best way to show it?
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Old September 5 2010, 05:00 PM   #2
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There's been several threads discussing the exteior of a Tardis and what it might look like, especially the designs by Starsuperion. In Doctor Who there have been scenes which show the Tardis travelling through the Time Vortex and we see it as the Police Box. Now, as we know that the Tardis itself exists in a sort of time bubble (correct if I'm wrong) then shouldn't we see the actual Tardis exterior within the Time Vortex as I'm assuming that these two realms are the same?

It would be interesting to see the actual exterior on screen and I think this could be the best way to show it?
Well from what I understand is that the Other dimension in which the "Actual" TARDIS ship exists, is outside the time vortex.. and normal space-time itself, as it is in it's own artificially generated pocket dimension..

the Time Vortex is merely a wormhole that connects through time-space and the exterior (police box) is then moved inside that vortex through dematerialization (this is because the time vortex exists in either its own dimensional string theory, subspace, or hyperspace and not normal space), once inside the time vortex the ships engines propel the tardis to it's intended destination depending on the chronoton particles age and which measure the Tardis's progress through time..the engines bend the space-time around the ship and propel it through to the end of the vortex to an ending opening wormhole. the opening of the time vortex hole sends back readings to the tardis which tells it where and when it is in the time-space continuum..as the worm hole is extended by the tardis till it reaches it's intended destination..once there, the Tardis rematerializes in normal space-time and lands..

the artificial Eye of Harmony (which is a black hole's core or a singularity can warp reality, as seen in the 1996 movie) in the Tardis cloister room, warps space and creates this wormhole time vortex..since the ship's interior exists outside of normal space and Time itself being in it's own dimensional pocket, it can access any place in space and time using the wormholes it creates, and by way of dematerializing and rematerializing through subspace or hyperspace and then into the time vortex itself...

because the ship's interior and exterior are tied to one another physically, the dimension inside the police box goes where ever the outside goes, and thus the outside is propelled anywhere the engines inside the pocket dimension push the outside police box to..

at least that is how I understand it..

also, from what I understand the reason the time lords are called "the lords of time" is because they somehow created an anchor using the original eye of harmony, which allowed them to pull what I can only assume is a string theory string, a massive energy pathway that runs the length of all of this reality, and does so in it's own dimension as well..this string runs through time and space and is a sort of super highway.. this makes it easy for a tardis to traverse all of eternity and back again.. once the tardis opens it's access to this highway via it's own wormhole in subspace or hyperspace which creates an on ramp to this highway, it then can go anywhere in time and space easily..

they must have been able to bend that string to their Homeworld, and also access it's many off shoots throughout history.. kinda like a single massive highway that leads to others in time and space..by mapping these and setting coordinates to the Tardis machine, they know where and when they are in space and time, along with the chronoton particles ages..

I have had several ideas on what the Tardis could and should be.. I even read a book that had the 7th doctor and ace battling an intruder in the tardis, and ace viewing the ship's Actual likeness through a watch tower, and somehow the doctor flying outside of the Tardis in it's own dimension, which apparently he survived..anyhow,

the description in that novel basically described the Tardis as a series of domes on a flat plane with twisting corridors to each one, and massive pillars holding back the dimension, and which those pillars disappeared into gray clouds above it all..each dome represents 1 room..
this description was hard to realize and seemed rather stupid to me..I did some more research and came up with something that looked like a freaking chandelier...

then after reading more material, rewatching every reference and mention I could find in the classic series.. I finally came up with the winner design, which embodied all of the classic shows assertions of how the ship may be, and included anything "useful" from the novels. much of Doctor who is a contradiction..

but in the final analysis, I think my designs of what the Tardis could be are pretty darn close to the descriptions and what we already know of the ship..at least that is how I think it is..I agree it would be nice to see it finally.. but I doubt they ever will do it.. however, in the off chance they do, I would love to see my latest work be the design used.. it embodies a late victorian style to it's design and is surely unique..plus it fits all the known parameters that are necessary to the description of the Tardis..

Here is my design from the side view once again..


if you can see the core and the rooms which are constructed after the core and are grown via energy matter conversion via a system similar to that of the STNG food replicators..

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Old September 5 2010, 05:12 PM   #3
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Re: Tardis exteior in the Time Vortex?

Does the TARDIS even have a "real" exterior? If the TARDIS' doorway can be thought of as a bridge between the worlds outside the TARDIS and the world inside the TARDIS, then perhaps the "exterior" is nothing more than a frame projected around the portal between them, serving no other function than to help outsiders identify the location of the ship. The TARDIS exterior might resemble something as simple as a hollow door frame... or it might not exist at all.
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Old September 5 2010, 05:20 PM   #4
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Does the TARDIS even have a "real" exterior? If the TARDIS' doorway can be thought of as a bridge between the worlds outside the TARDIS and the world inside the TARDIS, then perhaps the "exterior" is nothing more than a frame projected around the portal between them, serving no other function than to help outsiders identify the location of the ship. The TARDIS exterior might resemble something as simple as a hollow door frame... or it might not exist at all.
Yeah, I'm of that mind, as well. Also, any Police Box shots we see in the vortex are merely there to help the viewer comprehend what they are supposed to be seeing...the TARDIS traveling...
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Old September 5 2010, 05:37 PM   #5
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Re: Tardis exteior in the Time Vortex?

Starsuperion, you had us mesmerized until you typed "black whole"
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Old September 5 2010, 05:47 PM   #6
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Does the TARDIS even have a "real" exterior? If the TARDIS' doorway can be thought of as a bridge between the worlds outside the TARDIS and the world inside the TARDIS, then perhaps the "exterior" is nothing more than a frame projected around the portal between them, serving no other function than to help outsiders identify the location of the ship. The TARDIS exterior might resemble something as simple as a hollow door frame... or it might not exist at all.
Yeah, I'm of that mind, as well. Also, any Police Box shots we see in the vortex are merely there to help the viewer comprehend what they are supposed to be seeing...the TARDIS traveling...
see I just can not accept that.. what are the outer walls of the interior Tardis? the Tardis is mentioned many times as a spaceship, or ship, and time ship...the doctor had to have an ari supply in the tardis which was running out in the planet of the daleks.. the tardis takes damage inside from the outside.. and we have seen a tardis with no chameleon circuit in the war games serial..

to me, the Tardis has to be a ship and not simply just a dimension within the blue box..where is the air from? what is the tradis built on? is their a ground there?? soil? a sky outside of the walls of the ship?? is it just a box, then where do the engines come into play? if it is just a dimension, then what if you pierced the side of the inside of the ship at it's further most edge, would you not see anything beyond that?? in Castrovalva it was a concern that the tardis walls would be left open to the dimension they were in, but the doctor's ship closed itself off after the zero room was ejected.. which he stated to Nyssa.. or maybe it was teagan..

anyhow, All I am saying is it has to be a ship.. not just a phenomenon..otherwise the time lords would have built their citadel super small and giant on the inside as well..the ultimate defense..the daleks would have had to hit a target the size of a doorway..
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Old September 5 2010, 05:50 PM   #7
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Starsuperion, you had us mesmerized until you typed "black whole"

LMAO, I did that?? I can't believe I did.. sheesh! yeah I was in a hurray and not thinking straight..

sorry..

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Old September 5 2010, 06:06 PM   #8
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Does the TARDIS even have a "real" exterior? If the TARDIS' doorway can be thought of as a bridge between the worlds outside the TARDIS and the world inside the TARDIS, then perhaps the "exterior" is nothing more than a frame projected around the portal between them, serving no other function than to help outsiders identify the location of the ship. The TARDIS exterior might resemble something as simple as a hollow door frame... or it might not exist at all.
AH.... I see what you are saying.. no..I disagree..

the outer doorway is the dimension.. I believe that to anchor that dimension to ours the box, or artificial construct which is comprised of molecular materials like cold plasma which can be reformatted into anything the chameleon circuit desires.. is intertwined like cement to the particles which comprise the dimensional gateway... thus rendering the tardis forever linked to the box gateway..which can be made to be sealed off if need be..

the dimensional portal is not surrounded by a door frame, it is the door frame and box itself... which is why the door frame/box can be moved, which moves the ship and the dimension which the actual ship is in, about the universe.. only it seems that way on the outside.. in reality the inside is not going anywhere, cause it doesn't exist in our reality.. however it can take aspects of our reality because it is affected by our reality via the cementing of it in the tardis box...

which is why if the Tardis experiences a bumpy ride, the inside of the tardis does too, and which is why if the tardis is on it's backside like in the 1st episode of season 5, that the inside is then on it's back.. unless the ship compensates for that.. which it couldn't cause the control console was damaged at the time..

because the dimension and the outside are one and the same, this is why there has to be a ship, and why the ship can compensate for the outside being on it's side or backside.. and also why it's not a just a gateway to the inside cause it was on it's back..

make sense??

probably not..

okay.. let me try this..

because the Tardis was on it's back and the doctor had to use a rope to climb out, we can tell that the dimension and the ship inside suffer the same fate as the doorway or police box..were it just a door frame to the other dimension, the doctor could climb into the box and then be standing upright, like the ship from the time of angels...(when they jumped in they ended right side up)

now the tardis console was messed up which is why the ship itself did not compensate for the crummy landing..

in the classic series with nyssa and teagan, nyssa engages a switch which makes the tardis interior level out once they landed.. fixing the slanted problem they were suffering..this leads me to believe the interior is a ship within a separate pocket dimension.. and not simply a dimension within the box..

I hope that was a bit clearer.. sorry..

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Unless that's an archaic form I'm not aware of.
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Unless that's an archaic form I'm not aware of.

hahahhahaha..no.. I was just being a speed typist, and wanking off a bit mentally..I fixed the grammar in question..


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The McCoy title sequence did show it in a bubble...
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Didn't they show 'stock' TARDISes in The War Games? AFAIK, they were featureless boxes. Perhaps this is the original appearance, and that it only changes when the pilot activates the chameleon circuit?
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Didn't they show 'stock' TARDISes in The War Games? AFAIK, they were featureless boxes. Perhaps this is the original appearance, and that it only changes when the pilot activates the chameleon circuit?

that is what I believe..

in the Tardis bay you see light coloured default tardises, and then the darker SIDRAT ships..

I would love to see a colour still of that bay so I can get the sense of what colour the SIDRAT was and the TARDISes in that bay were coloured as....
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Does the TARDIS even have a "real" exterior? If the TARDIS' doorway can be thought of as a bridge between the worlds outside the TARDIS and the world inside the TARDIS, then perhaps the "exterior" is nothing more than a frame projected around the portal between them, serving no other function than to help outsiders identify the location of the ship. The TARDIS exterior might resemble something as simple as a hollow door frame... or it might not exist at all.
Yeah, I'm of that mind, as well. Also, any Police Box shots we see in the vortex are merely there to help the viewer comprehend what they are supposed to be seeing...the TARDIS traveling...
see I just can not accept that.. what are the outer walls of the interior Tardis? the Tardis is mentioned many times as a spaceship, or ship, and time ship...the doctor had to have an ari supply in the tardis which was running out in the planet of the daleks.. the tardis takes damage inside from the outside.. and we have seen a tardis with no chameleon circuit in the war games serial..

to me, the Tardis has to be a ship and not simply just a dimension within the blue box..where is the air from? what is the tradis built on? is their a ground there?? soil? a sky outside of the walls of the ship?? is it just a box, then where do the engines come into play? if it is just a dimension, then what if you pierced the side of the inside of the ship at it's further most edge, would you not see anything beyond that?? in Castrovalva it was a concern that the tardis walls would be left open to the dimension they were in, but the doctor's ship closed itself off after the zero room was ejected.. which he stated to Nyssa.. or maybe it was teagan..

anyhow, All I am saying is it has to be a ship.. not just a phenomenon..otherwise the time lords would have built their citadel super small and giant on the inside as well..the ultimate defense..the daleks would have had to hit a target the size of a doorway..
Okay, I concede you make a fair amount of rational in-universe points. However, it seems weird to leave a physical anchor within the vortex, when the interior lies in its own folded dimension. So, it's not just a ship traveling through time. It's a compressed dimensional aberration being funneled back and forth, up and down the time vortex. That's boggling on certain levels...
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I think there was a Doctor Who magazine comic short story about TARDIS mechanics somewhere....
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