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Old July 25 2010, 05:56 AM   #271
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The kids at the end looked taller than the ones seen earlier to me, so I stayed and watched the credits. But the resemblance was strong enough to sell them as the same characters AND make you question, so excellent casting all around.
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Old July 25 2010, 04:34 PM   #272
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Here are some observations I had.

The machines that let you share dreams make no sense whatsoever. This doesn't mean that Nolan has to make this conceit make perfect sense, but he at least has to make it believable. I mean, WTF is up with tapping into someone's mind by - plugging into their wrist?? Then you push a yellow, plunger-like button to share the dream. WTF? Then, once your in the dream, somehow these stupid suitcases follow you, and you can use them normally in a dream state. They are not simply representations of what the person might think these suitcases might look like, but the actual cases are there in the dream and they work. I know when I dream about a clock, it is not an actual working clock no matter how much I'm fooled by it! The TNG episode "Frame of Mind" (which was far better than this film) had something similar to this and yet made it believeable: the reflection thereapy device, a metal, functional-looking thing which actually scans a person's head and projects images from it. And although it never actually existed, it worked well enough to get Riker to think it actually did.
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Old July 25 2010, 05:16 PM   #273
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They planted the dream boxes into the dreams when they made the levels. It's that simple. You aren't going to make a dream box a cat or an orange.

And who cares how the thing works, he just needed to create some way to enter a dream world, and that's done. Your wrist isn't connected to your brain?
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Old July 25 2010, 05:43 PM   #274
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But Tom Hardy was awesome! Nice to see him moving on from Shinzon and doing well with the part!
I had the strangest feeling he was familiar the whole movie! It was the voice! It made me so happy when it finally hit me where I knew him.

Good movie.
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Old July 25 2010, 05:49 PM   #275
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I think Nolan has the same problem Lucas had. Obviously, to a much lesser extent, though. Lucas made an awesome trilogy of films, and could then work without any one questioning him, and the quality of TPM was the result. Nolan has now enough clout to make films without anyone questioning what's happening. Sure, his film does have far tighter writing, and much cooler ideas, but no one questioned important points about the film. He got a pass. Even the actors didn't know what was happening in this film.
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Old July 25 2010, 05:52 PM   #276
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They planted the dream boxes into the dreams when they made the levels. It's that simple. You aren't going to make a dream box a cat or an orange.
But, but they still aren't actual dream boxes!
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Old July 25 2010, 06:14 PM   #277
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Did anyone notice that in the beginning of the movie when Cobb was looking out the window while Mal was on the chair. The chair that he ties the rope to so he could repel down the outside of the building. The window was in the pattern of the Legendary pictures logo.
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Old July 25 2010, 06:20 PM   #278
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Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: View Post
Here are some observations I had.

The machines that let you share dreams make no sense whatsoever.
They made perfect sense; precisely because they are left unexplained. Any attempt to explain how someone can enter someone else's dream would be invariably total and utter nonsense - so don't. Since it is science fiction, science has provided the answer. Here are some scientific-like devices and limitations suggesting you can only tap into someone near by. Take that and run with it.

Frankly, I can't wrap my head around the idea of Star Trek fans - who accept as a point of fact many of the inexplicable technologies of the franchise (the transporter makes far, far less sense then the dream device seen here) find these smaller leaps of faith; so essential to most all sci-fi, so immersion breaking.

To wit:

The TNG episode "Frame of Mind" (which was far better than this film) had something similar to this and yet made it believeable: the reflection thereapy device, a metal, functional-looking thing which actually scans a person's head and projects images from it.
It creates a perfectly formed image of someone he knew to represent his subconscious; only it does it in the real world. This opens more questions then the Nolan tech.
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Old July 25 2010, 06:23 PM   #279
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They planted the dream boxes into the dreams when they made the levels. It's that simple. You aren't going to make a dream box a cat or an orange.
But, but they still aren't actual dream boxes!
Nor are they actual guns, or cars, or rocket propelled grenades, but they still worked the way one would expect them to. More or less.
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Old July 25 2010, 08:11 PM   #280
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They planted the dream boxes into the dreams when they made the levels. It's that simple. You aren't going to make a dream box a cat or an orange.
But, but they still aren't actual dream boxes!
Nor are they actual guns, or cars, or rocket propelled grenades, but they still worked the way one would expect them to. More or less.

Exactly.

People question movies when their plots are lame or don't make any sense at all, or are just overall bad.

The movie didn't need to explain the dreambox, there is a dreambox and that's all there needs to be. People didn't question why the LOST island did what it did, they questioned why we didn't get any answers to questions. Almost no one questions the dream boxes because there is no needed to, the movie isn't about the dream box, it's about the human mind.

If a gun is a gun then a dream box can still be a dream box in a dream. That's the point of the dreams, to be realistic!

And yes, a Star Trek fan questioning one part of a movie that doesn't make any difference at all to the story is a joke. Look all the aliens look human, have the same type of planet, and speak English! Amazing! I don't need to know why! However a box, I want them to make some stupid excuse of.

And if you read what I have written about the movie I don't care who the directer is, I have seen three of his movies now (the Batmans and this) and it was a fun movie, not perfect, but it was entertaining and that's what I wanted.
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Old July 25 2010, 08:23 PM   #281
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I'd have to agree with the earlier post that says these characters were no more than chess pieces. Nolan spends so much time explaining the mechanics of his arbitrary dream-world rules that no one gets a chance to be a fully fleshed out, living, breathing person. And after about the fifth or sixth infodump I kind of checked out mentally -- I just didn't care enough about these people to make sense of what they were trying to do.

I laughed out loud at that moment where Leo goes "oh by the way, if you die in this dream, you go into limbo". It was just so random and stupid. Shouldn't all the dream-exploring professionals involved have KNOWN this already? And if they didn't, shouldn't Leo have told them, I don't know, BEFORE they entered the dream where they had a chance of ending up in endless limbo?

I think the thing I dislike the most about Nolan's films is they're so damn self-serious and self-important, to the point of being completely joyless. He doesn't seem to have any interest in injecting actual FUN into his movies. I thought this was a deliberate choice in Batman Begins, to avoid comparisons to the campy Schumacher films, but it appears this is just the way his movies are.

Also, you know you're in trouble when a character has an overly symbolic name like "Ariadne". I guess her parents knew when she was born that she would grow up to get a gig having to do with labyrinths/mazes.
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Old July 25 2010, 11:21 PM   #282
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They planted the dream boxes into the dreams when they made the levels. It's that simple. You aren't going to make a dream box a cat or an orange.

And who cares how the thing works, he just needed to create some way to enter a dream world, and that's done. Your wrist isn't connected to your brain?
I just assumed that the dream boxes contained the sedative, and the timing allowed them all to enter the dreamworld together.
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Old July 25 2010, 11:39 PM   #283
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I laughed out loud at that moment where Leo goes "oh by the way, if you die in this dream, you go into limbo". It was just so random and stupid. Shouldn't all the dream-exploring professionals involved have KNOWN this already? And if they didn't, shouldn't Leo have told them, I don't know, BEFORE they entered the dream where they had a chance of ending up in endless limbo?
Cob was talking specifically for that dream because of the sedatives (in normal dreams, when someone dies they just wake up) and everyone else, particularly Eames, were upset that he didn't tell them prior to entering Fischer's dream.
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Old July 26 2010, 01:15 AM   #284
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The movie didn't need to explain the dreambox, there is a dreambox and that's all there needs to be. People didn't question why the LOST island did what it did, they questioned why we didn't get any answers to questions. Almost no one questions the dream boxes because there is no needed to, the movie isn't about the dream box, it's about the human mind.
It should at least make superficial sense. Having the dream box be this light, cheesy prop that hooks up to someone's wrist makes as much sense as using defibrillator pads on someone's shins or the bottoms of their feet.
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Not if the dream box is injecting them with drugs. The wrist/forearm is exactly where it should be. It's like an IV.
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