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Old August 3 2010, 08:55 PM   #46
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I like the latter ship better than the bowship above...for some reason I am desperate to see character bios lol. Demand a lot of you but then your art is worth it lol.
really, you like the previous one better?? I must admit the previous design does have a certain blocky charm..I wonder if I should use that design and modify it to fit the newer design, so it can live on, but in a slightly modified life? I have more of the blocky ships I had done, but I felt like maybe it was too basic, and that the new design above was more conventional and yet retro looking enough to be like something we could possibly see in future episodes of Dr. Who..

anyhow, the character bios will be coming soon enough my friend.. I just have to finish these bowship, and tardis manul designs first, then I will be taking a break and doing character bios...
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Old August 4 2010, 05:12 AM   #47
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I like the latter ship better than the bowship above...for some reason I am desperate to see character bios lol. Demand a lot of you but then your art is worth it lol.
Okay, I decided to try a hybrid of the new style design, and the initial design. what I did was to replace the bow of the ship, and the bridge area, and engines, but keep the core central structure of the ship intact, and still provide that boxy look..

let me know what you guys think? should the Bowships be like this one? or do you prefer the newer design below..

this?


this?


Or the Original?:


let me know thanks, let's let the fans decide the direction I will take, which will dictate the look and feel of the other ships to follow..


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Old August 4 2010, 10:40 AM   #48
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In the words of the Joker...I like that!!
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Old August 5 2010, 12:18 AM   #49
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In the words of the Joker...I like that!!

so the hybrid is the way huh, very well..very well..

anyone else have an opinion before i get off on a tangent with these bowship designs??
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Old August 5 2010, 12:22 PM   #50
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Overall my vote would go to the last version (V3 ?), but i could learn to like the hybrid.
What i don't like about the hybrid is the quad (?) of engine orbs. This looked much better in the v3 of the ship. Maybe just make them bigger.
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Old August 5 2010, 03:56 PM   #51
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Overall my vote would go to the last version (V3 ?), but i could learn to like the hybrid.
What i don't like about the hybrid is the quad (?) of engine orbs. This looked much better in the v3 of the ship. Maybe just make them bigger.
I think I prefer the V3 over the Hybrid as well, However, with lack of fan input (that's Doctor who fan, not to presume much about my art) I have no direction as to where I should go with this.. and what better place to ask for opinions then the Trekbbs forum, where there are connoisseurs of schematic design.

I think too that the quad engine design of the hybrid is out of whack to the ship itself, I may redo that and make it a different configuration entirely..thanks for the vote
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Old August 5 2010, 05:41 PM   #52
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If you feel like v3 is better than the hybrid then go for it...I just perfer the bulkier design. I don't think the Time Lord's would have been too concerned regarding what their ships looked like during the heat of the war. They need something effective, their arrogance maybe would have justified the sleek design. I wonder how long it would take to build these ships? Or is time a minor thing when dealing with a society that can manipulate it like puddy?
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Old August 6 2010, 01:59 AM   #53
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If you feel like v3 is better than the hybrid then go for it...I just perfer the bulkier design. I don't think the Time Lord's would have been too concerned regarding what their ships looked like during the heat of the war. They need something effective, their arrogance maybe would have justified the sleek design. I wonder how long it would take to build these ships? Or is time a minor thing when dealing with a society that can manipulate it like puddy?
actually I think what I may do is to finalize a hybrid design, and then finish or do some modifications to the other design, and then I will do a separate poll thread to see what the fans on this site think and they can vote for the ship of their choice, which ever wins, will be the design template used to do the rest of the ships..

there is a certain charm to the hybrid design, if I can somehow make it just a bit better, it may surpass the V3 even with 3's intricate guns... what do you think??

as for the heat of the war, I think that the Gallifreyans were about style as much as craftmanship, and since the war with the vampires were more about search and destroy then full scale wars, it seems to me that their ships would be more like battle cruisers, in small pocket armadas patrolling sectors of space and seeking out these horrible creatures.. once engaged the battles were probably carnal and ravenous..given that the time lords and gallifreyans in general tend to over do it in war..these ships were probably constructed in ship yards, much like the federation ships, only on a smaller fleet scale, and sent out to find and fight vampires in various galactic sectors..

At the time of the great vampire wars, the gallifreyans had no time travel capabilities, and were not yet time lords..

I seem to remember reading that there were great ship yards on a different planet, which had been colonized by Gallifreyan settlers, and this planet was a ship yard created for Tardis construction.. I wonder if that place was a bowship before the Tardis came about??
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Old August 7 2010, 02:34 PM   #54
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Well after much consideration, I think I finally have what should be the Gallifreyan Bowship design, I hope you guys like it..

Some minor notes: I know the V3 had a more WWII feel to it, but it was a bit too much.. Gallifreyans would not have covered their ships with too much weaponry and guns, as they were basically a peaceful race, the bowships were more likely built specifically to take out the Vampire hordes, And were probably looked at as a necessity..

the main body of the design is basically the same boxy look, but I wanted the hyper drive engines to be part futuristic antimatter/matter fusion and particle physics, and engineering.. so I added some additional energy collection materials, some for aesthetic purposes, and some just because it is cool..

take for example the fins, they represent what could be like solar collectors, only these collect all manner of energy particles floating out in space..this goes very well with the theme alluded to by the TV series that all Gallifreyan tech has some reliance on the universe and utilizes those resources to it's fullest extent.. the gallifreyans were all about power, and harnessing it from every resource they could..

the additional fin in the rear of the ship is to separate the aft hyperdrive engines from each other, in case of damage, the other could work independently and still make the ship fly..and was shielded from radiation, and potential hull compromises.

the hull reinforcements are to protect against energy weapons fire, and a hit from the massive Vampires! sriously they are massive!

Overall, I really like this design and I hope most of you do too



the Spent Particle rods are for particles which can no longer be used and are shot out the back, which makes the ship look as if it is shooting out glitter...

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Old August 7 2010, 04:28 PM   #55
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I like it.
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Old August 7 2010, 06:14 PM   #56
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I like it.
thanks Admiral! I am glad you like it.. the ship I imagine would make a chugging train type sound, sorta like it was grinding gears, at first then swooosh! off it goes!

the steel bolt accelerator canons would fire one at a time much like a navy vessel canon would..

this is early gallifrey so it should have a early WWII and REtro sci fi feel to the interior.. those designs will come soon..

time to redo the schematic art, and on to other classes..

ahh much better this design is..

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Old August 9 2010, 03:44 PM   #57
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I have to go to work now, but I figured I would update the Bowship image with the final revised work and perspectives..

the image below is missing the rear end view, and the underside, but from what you can see, the design of the original, and the V3 are now completely integrated into a magnificent ship design! I am very happy with the overall layout of the ship and it is exactly how I envisioned it to be..

now I can finish the full schematic sheet, and work on the rest using this as a basis.. the evolution of the ship design is chronicled throughout this thread and special thanks goes to those Doctor who fans here who joined in and walked me through their thoughts and comments on this project..

I appreciated all the help.. thanks!



here is hoping the next designs turn out well, and this thread can move on to more ships, like those piloted by the RUTANS!
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Old August 9 2010, 07:51 PM   #58
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I assume that you intend on doing a historical technical perspective of Gallifreyan technology since you've introduced us to these ships from the Great Vampire Wars. I'll admit that I'm not an expert on all of Who history. I am vaguely aware of pre-Rassilon time before Omega helped found Time Lord society. You should really attempt to pitch the Beeb to do a proper technical manual/companion book for the series. I know that I'd buy it in an instant.
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Old August 9 2010, 10:29 PM   #59
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I assume that you intend on doing a historical technical perspective of Gallifreyan technology since you've introduced us to these ships from the Great Vampire Wars. I'll admit that I'm not an expert on all of Who history. I am vaguely aware of pre-Rassilon time before Omega helped found Time Lord society. You should really attempt to pitch the Beeb to do a proper technical manual/companion book for the series. I know that I'd buy it in an instant.
Yeah, What I may end up doing is a technical compendium of the Time Lords themselves..

from the early Vampire Wars days to the most advanced Tardises used during the time war..this would be a unique fan project, and would limit my work to those specific areas..which I am okay with, however for the purposes of this particular thread, I intend to finish the Bowships designs and then move on into other races for fun..

the Tardis Technical Manual I am doing may just end up being part of the Compendium and get integrated into that book..

regardless of that, I woul love to see a technical companion released by the BBC, but I rather think they would be set against such things, since they delight in mystery..and as most Whovian's state quite frequently, that it is about the story and not the tech and that those like myself who thrive on such things, well, we are just nutters!
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I assume that you intend on doing a historical technical perspective of Gallifreyan technology since you've introduced us to these ships from the Great Vampire Wars. I'll admit that I'm not an expert on all of Who history. I am vaguely aware of pre-Rassilon time before Omega helped found Time Lord society. You should really attempt to pitch the Beeb to do a proper technical manual/companion book for the series. I know that I'd buy it in an instant.
Yeah, What I may end up doing is a technical compendium of the Time Lords themselves..

from the early Vampire Wars days to the most advanced Tardises used during the time war..this would be a unique fan project, and would limit my work to those specific areas..which I am okay with, however for the purposes of this particular thread, I intend to finish the Bowships designs and then move on into other races for fun..

the Tardis Technical Manual I am doing may just end up being part of the Compendium and get integrated into that book..

regardless of that, I woul love to see a technical companion released by the BBC, but I rather think they would be set against such things, since they delight in mystery..and as most Whovian's state quite frequently, that it is about the story and not the tech and that those like myself who thrive on such things, well, we are just nutters!

I would say you are in good company. If not for nutters like you and I there would be no film to make their precious stories immortal on.



by the way I just posted this and want to hear your opinions on how it might effect the schematics of a tardis

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9552.new#new


it is essentially a way of explaining how something could be "bigger" on the inside than the outside by using a method of matter compression (forcing an amount of matter to exist on less space)

so that the inside would not actually have to be smaller on the inside, just the space inside work differently due to the generators so that more matter (air people equipment) could exist in there and that vibrational control of those compression generators could cause something to litterally vibrate from one location (in all 4 dimensional directions) to another instantly almost. (thus the whole demat remat process too)
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