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Old January 4 2012, 07:38 PM   #1081
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Frankly, if people are going to insist on doing origin stories, why don't they just invent their own character?
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Old January 4 2012, 07:50 PM   #1082
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I love Hollywood's definition of "hip"

Stick a "Ramones" T-shirt on the lead actor














Or a "The Strokes" t-shirt.
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Old January 4 2012, 07:58 PM   #1083
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Origin story complains again? Sigh.
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Old January 4 2012, 08:03 PM   #1084
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Someone should go a different route and start a Robin movie series. Do a serious take on his origin story and have Batman around, but make Robin the main character. You could eventually lead into a Nightwing movie where Batman is completely absent.
No one would care about Robin as the lead charcter if Batman was in the same movie.
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Old January 4 2012, 08:14 PM   #1085
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If one does a Robin solo film (which I doubt would ever happen) they should adapt the excellent Robin: Year One which was written by Chuck Dixon (a writer whom I'm not a big fan of but think he did a really good job). Perhaps you could include the origin that was introduced in "Batman: Dark Victory".
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Old January 4 2012, 08:22 PM   #1086
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If one does a Robin solo film...
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Old January 4 2012, 08:27 PM   #1087
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^ It is things like that which make me glad fanboys aren't in charge of real movies.
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Old January 4 2012, 08:31 PM   #1088
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...hopefully the fact the movie's being done in a completely different style from Raimi's Spider-Man will at least make it seem a bit surprising and fresh.
What makes you think it's 'completely' different? Both are set in the present (as opposed to, for example, a 1960s period piece), for example. The sets look reasonably similar, etc. Yeah, I see some differences but nothing that would make me think we going from (for example) Adam West Batman to Chris Nolan Batman.

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...the Batman films will be relaunching in a couple of years after this year's "The Dark Knight Rises" so I don't know why people complain about this particular point so much...
For my money I don't want to see another Batman origin film either.


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It's just so tiresome. Everyone and his dog knows who Spiderman, Superman and Batman are and where they came from. Just give it a damn rest already and make a movie that just jumps right into it.
This.

The James Bond films have been quite successful without origin stories and with "soft reboots" every ten years or so. These three characters are at least as established as Bond at this point. There's no reason to keep retelling the same story, other than intellectual laziness and creative bankruptcy.
I don't think it's laziness, I think it's more that as these different directors and people come in they want to put their own stamp on the character, and to most people the best way to do that is by telling their own version of the origin story. I think it's also their way of letting people know that this new series will be completely unrelated to past stories. They might be afraid that if they just jump into a story with the character already established, people will jassume it's just a continuation of the previous series.
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Old January 4 2012, 08:34 PM   #1089
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^ Yep. Comic characters have always been called modern myth...and like classic myth...it is only natural for filmmakers and story tellers to want to tell their own take on these great characters. Just as we fans do.
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Old January 4 2012, 08:45 PM   #1090
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I don't think it's laziness, I think it's more that as these different directors and people come in they want to put their own stamp on the character, and to most people the best way to do that is by telling their own version of the origin story. I think it's also their way of letting people know that this new series will be completely unrelated to past stories. They might be afraid that if they just jump into a story with the character already established, people will jassume it's just a continuation of the previous series.
Yeah, because people are that stupid.
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Old January 4 2012, 09:13 PM   #1091
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I don't think it's laziness, I think it's more that as these different directors and people come in they want to put their own stamp on the character, and to most people the best way to do that is by telling their own version of the origin story. I think it's also their way of letting people know that this new series will be completely unrelated to past stories. They might be afraid that if they just jump into a story with the character already established, people will jassume it's just a continuation of the previous series.
Yeah, because people are that stupid.
I wouldn't say stupid, but, obviously if you don't tell the audience a new Origin story, the general Audience is going to assume everything they know from the last incarnation is still in play. Those of us who post on BBS are privvy to so much information the General audience knows nothing about, so we have a tendency to forget, that although we know on xx/xx/xxxx the Latest Producer said "it's a soft reboot that retains the previous Origin story, but, movies 2-4 are being ignored", the General Audience isn't going to be out looking for that information, and isn't likely to even be aware of it.

Heck, I've seen all the Batman movies, but, I couldn't even go into detail (Or arrange in a lineup by movie) of the differences between the suits from 1 movie to another (Though many here could write a book on the evolution of the Batman suits in the movies) Problem is, we expect the General Audience is that well informed, but, they're not.
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Old January 4 2012, 09:55 PM   #1092
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I don't think it's laziness, I think it's more that as these different directors and people come in they want to put their own stamp on the character, and to most people the best way to do that is by telling their own version of the origin story. I think it's also their way of letting people know that this new series will be completely unrelated to past stories. They might be afraid that if they just jump into a story with the character already established, people will jassume it's just a continuation of the previous series.
Yeah, because people are that stupid.
I wouldn't say stupid, but, obviously if you don't tell the audience a new Origin story, the general Audience is going to assume everything they know from the last incarnation is still in play.
Some people still thought Begins was a continuation from B&R despite the new origin. It was just old enough yet came around when prequels were still kinda new that some thought it was just another Bruce Wayne change. Assuming Clooney didn't want back in or what have you.
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Old January 4 2012, 10:00 PM   #1093
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Some people still thought Begins was a continuation from B&R despite the new origin. It was just old enough yet came around when prequels were still kinda new that some thought it was just another Bruce Wayne change. Assuming Clooney didn't want back in or what have you.
There were some that were also confused at why Joker was in TDR when he got killed off in the first Batman.
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Old January 4 2012, 10:00 PM   #1094
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^ Yeah, Begins was frequently described as a prequel to the other movies, as was Casino Royale to the rest of the Bond series.

I agree with the suggestion of taking a (pre-Casino) Bond approach to comic book movies - a light reboot every few years, which may or may not be consistent with the previous entries in the series. But really, as long as this movie is good, I can forgive seeing the origin again.
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Old January 4 2012, 10:01 PM   #1095
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The problem is trying to turn these movies into a series at all. James Bond does it right; you don't need to have seen any of them in order to understand the next one. You can watch them completely at random and still have them make sense.

Spiderman's origin doesn't change. He's a guy who gets bit by a radioactive spider and turns into a superhero.

Superman's origin doesn't change. He's a guy who came here as a baby after his planet blew up. He can fly and shoot laser beams out of his eyes and is more or less invincible.

Batman's origin doesn't change. He's a guy whose parents get murdered outside after leaving a theater. He dresses as a bat and fights crime.

The details are unimportant. As long as you know the basics, you can make a movie about any of these characters, and it shouldn't matter what movies were made before.
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