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Old July 12 2010, 05:00 AM   #181
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The Last Airbender pulls in $17 million, a 58% drop, and falls to fifth place for the weekend. Ouch.
They'll be very lucky if they make back the cost of production.

Bomb.
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Old July 12 2010, 05:30 AM   #182
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So, pretty much, M. Night's train of fail contines.
Could the title of this movie be the most accurate title in movie history?
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Old July 12 2010, 05:41 AM   #183
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The Last Airbender pulls in $17 million, a 58% drop, and falls to fifth place for the weekend. Ouch.
They'll be very lucky if they make back the cost of production.

Bomb.
From Captain Craig: "This will be its first normal weekend and if it should have a typical summer drop of 60% based on the $53m for the 3-day opener it'll draw in around another $21million give or take." (Italics added.) The man is right, most movies drop over 50% after the first week. A typical drop is not a bomb exploding.

Atypically holding steady is what makes big hits. Plus, in the end most movies make 50-60% of revenue from foreign box office. Last Airbender is not opening wide abroad, those returns will be a while coming. Unless Last Airbender is one of those movies that appeal to US audiences more than foreign audiences (unlikely, despite the racebending,) there's another 150 megabucks coming.

It is extremely unlikely the movie won't make back production costs by the end of its theatrical run, and will make money for broadcasts rights sales and DVD releases. It seems to be a stinkbomb, which will hurt merchandising but a lot of that was an upfront gamble by merchandisers and they're the ones taking the haircut.

It is a safe bet that a big box office means a movie is doing something well. That does not mean it was worth doing in the first place. And it does not mean that pronouncing something a "bomb" when it is isn't is a criticism.
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Old July 12 2010, 01:06 PM   #184
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We haven't seen the international numbers yet. I'm still hoping for a sequel. (One without MNS) Just think of the toys they're selling!
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Old July 12 2010, 06:37 PM   #185
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Yeah, I thought as soon as I saw the first weekend numbers that this won't be a bomb; now, depending on how it performs overseas, it could go down as a disappointment (given that Hollywood studio standards for that sort of thing), but only the studio can really judge that right now.
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Old July 12 2010, 07:20 PM   #186
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The Last Airbender pulls in $17 million, a 58% drop, and falls to fifth place for the weekend. Ouch.
Not ouch. Do you haters ever follow boxoffice results?
A 58% drop is not unusual at all for summer season second weekends. Anything less than 60% is good.
Placing 5th when two of the other spots are from new releases means TLA had the 3rd best holdover from prior weeks. The others being TS:3 and Eclipse so not bad company.

Now had TLA dropped 65% and placed 8th, yeah then it'd ouch-ville.
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Old July 12 2010, 07:23 PM   #187
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The Last Airbender pulls in $17 million, a 58% drop, and falls to fifth place for the weekend. Ouch.
Not ouch. Do you haters ever follow boxoffice results?
Can you stop calling everybody haters? I can't take a damn word you're saying seriously.

Someone who doesn't agree with you is not automatically a "hater."
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Old July 12 2010, 07:26 PM   #188
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The Last Airbender pulls in $17 million, a 58% drop, and falls to fifth place for the weekend. Ouch.
Not ouch. Do you haters ever follow boxoffice results?
Can you stop calling everybody haters? I can't take a damn word you're saying seriously.

Someone who doesn't agree with you is not automatically a "hater."
Ro it's not about agreeing with me.
Just correcting the hyperbole from those quick to indicate they don't like MNS and want to say BOMB.
You tell me the term you'd like me to use. Idiots, Morons, Fools or another word. Hater seems appropriate cause they are basing their response on emotion and I can't say if its due to lack of understanding on how the process works.
Don't be so thin.
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Old July 12 2010, 07:57 PM   #189
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Being one of the people who won't watch the damn movie because of the suspicious casting, you'd have to call me a Last Airbender hater, I suppose. I'd be more pleased than not if foreign box office were unusually low. But there is very little likelihood that Last Airbender is going to lose the studio money, regardless of any disappointment over not matching the other Avatar. So, I'm not going to cry "Bomb!"

It sure seems the bomb talk is because people hate M. Night Shyamalan. Why is that? Don't insult my intelligence by claiming to dislike his crappy movies. That's when I draw my own conclusions, which is not often flattering.
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Old July 12 2010, 08:33 PM   #190
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You tell me the term you'd like me to use. Idiots, Morons, Fools or another word.
How about no word at all? You could have made your point without resorting to name-calling.

I don't disagree with any of the points you're making. I just don't see why you feel the need to use the tone you're using. I feel like you're getting overly defensive about a movie that you didn't even like that much.
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Old July 12 2010, 08:36 PM   #191
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I think you understood me.
I'm not upset at all if a poster doesn't like his movies.
Not upset at your reason, I don't share it but ok.

All I've done the last few posts is correct the hyperbole of those shouting. BOMB. OUCH. Another MNS failure, when those are incorrect and seem based on not the quality of this work(TLA), but their perception of his other work that they didn't like.

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You tell me the term you'd like me to use. Idiots, Morons, Fools or another word.
How about no word at all? You could have made your point without resorting to name-calling.

I don't disagree with any of the points you're making. I just don't see why you feel the need to use the tone you're using. I feel like you're getting overly defensive about a movie that you didn't even like that much.
Then I have to replace a word with a phrase. Hater vs To all those misusing BOMB or somesuch.
I said it was a B/B- movie. Do I need to rank it an A to correct the misuse of terminology?

I'm just being equally firm, no real tone need be read into it, even when reading "haters". I'm not typing it with grit in my teeth.
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Old July 12 2010, 08:39 PM   #192
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All I'm saying is you can correct people without being rude.
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Old July 12 2010, 08:42 PM   #193
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It sure seems the bomb talk is because people hate M. Night Shyamalan. Why is that? Don't insult my intelligence by claiming to dislike his crappy movies. That's when I draw my own conclusions, which is not often flattering.
I'm not a hater, but I'll give the question a shot anyway... Maybe because he's a writer-director of mostly genre flicks, who gets to keep making whatever movies he wants, regardless of quality, and we're all pants-wettingly jealous of that? I know I am. And that he then abuses that extremely rare power by making crappy movies, when he seems to have the talent to do better?
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Old July 12 2010, 08:48 PM   #194
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It sure seems the bomb talk is because people hate M. Night Shyamalan. Why is that? Don't insult my intelligence by claiming to dislike his crappy movies. That's when I draw my own conclusions, which is not often flattering.
I'm not a hater, but I'll give the question a shot anyway... Maybe because he's a writer-director of mostly genre flicks, who gets to keep making whatever movies he wants, regardless of quality, and we're all pants-wettingly jealous of that? I know I am. And that he then abuses that extremely rare power by making crappy movies, when he seems to have the talent to do better?
I don't know that jealousy has anything to do with it, but it's definitely annoying. We've seen him make really awesome movies, but it seems that each new movie he makes just gets crappier and crappier. Either he's a one(two?)-hit wonder and needs to stop being allowed to make movies, or he needs to step up his game and actually start making quality films again.
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All I'm saying is you can correct people without being rude.
Where's the fun in that?
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