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View Poll Results: How do you feel about the Maquis?
I would be a Maquis member. Help fight the cause! 6 12.00%
I would be a Maquis sympathiser. I wouldn't join them, but the Federation should leave them alone! 23 46.00%
I would dislike them, they are terrorists and criminals 12 24.00%
I would be neutral - no opinion either way 9 18.00%
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Old June 14 2010, 12:39 AM   #1
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The Maquis - where do you stand?

If you were a member of the Federation or at the very least, a (human) citizen of Earth, how would you feel about the Maquis?
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Old June 14 2010, 02:02 AM   #2
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Re: The Maquis - where do you stand?

If I'd lived in a part of the Demilitarized Zone that had been given back to the Cardies I'd join the Marquis. But if I was from elsewhere I wouldn't join, maybe I'd help out in a Kassidy Yates sort of way if I were in the same situation.
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Old June 14 2010, 02:37 AM   #3
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Re: The Maquis - where do you stand?

My opinion is not up there. I am highly opposed to their methods. At the same time I am highly opposed to what the Federation and the Cardassians BOTH did in that treaty, treating their people like chess/kotra pawns. I would be very, very loud in my opposition, possibly start a group lobbying for repeal and punishing (at the ballot box) the politicians that sold their people down the river (yes, I know, offensive phrase but what the Feddies did to their citizens really WAS that offensive in my book), but not violent or condoning of violence.
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Old June 14 2010, 03:01 AM   #4
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Sympathizer all the way.
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Old June 14 2010, 03:03 AM   #5
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Re: The Maquis - where do you stand?

They are terrorists. Enemies to peace.

I might add that they willingly remained in the DMZ with full knowledge they would be under Cardassian rule. They could have moved - in the Federation there should be hundreds of suitable worlds. They stay, they reap the consequences.

The opposite of peace is war. The actions of the Maquis risked war with Cardassia (though with their racial hatred of Cardassians, that may have been what the Maquis wanted anyway). The peace treaty must be maintained; the colonists can move, the treaty cannot. There are larger concerns at work here.
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Old June 14 2010, 04:43 AM   #6
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Mr. Laser Beam wrote: View Post
They are terrorists. Enemies to peace.

I might add that they willingly remained in the DMZ with full knowledge they would be under Cardassian rule. They could have moved - in the Federation there should be hundreds of suitable worlds. They stay, they reap the consequences.

The opposite of peace is war. The actions of the Maquis risked war with Cardassia (though with their racial hatred of Cardassians, that may have been what the Maquis wanted anyway). The peace treaty must be maintained; the colonists can move, the treaty cannot. There are larger concerns at work here.
The problem with interpreting the situation is understanding the status of those living on the Cardassian side of the DMZ.

It was made very clear in the compromise made at Dorvan V that they (at least the inhabitants of that planet), had relinquished their status as Federation citizens and then fell under Cardassian rule. Nothing was said further about the status of the other colonies on the Cardassian side of the DMZ, so we can only make assumptions as to their status -- yet in DS9, all of a sudden, the Maquis, made up of colonists from within the DMZ started to be referred to as Federation citizens, and the responsibility of the Federation.

The legal status of the members of the Maquis is never made clear -- but if other colonies within the DMZ followed the example of Dorvan V and also relinquished their Federation citizenship, the Federation had no business involving themselves in an internal uprising of those humans living within Cardassian territory.

It seems the Federation and Cardassians regarded those living in the DMZ as "Federation Citizens" when it suited them for the purposes of thwarting Maquis action within the DMZ, even though it is made clear that at least one planet (and likely others) relinquished such citizenship.

I sympathize with the Maquis and their cause because it was clear that the Central Command was supplying weapons to their colonists within the zone. As far as I'm concerned, the Maquis had every right to defend their homes against armed Cardassian invaders. The colonists within the DMZ, having relinquished their citizenship, were under no obligation to recognize any treaty made by the Federation -- and if the Central Command was assisting Cardassian colonists within the zone, the Human colonists were in the right defending themselves.

They made a mistake, however, and lost moral points with me, by attacking the Bok'Nor at a Federation starbase and kidnapping a Cardassian Gul from that same starbase. They should have taken action against the Bok'Nor within the DMZ only. Had it not been for those actions on DS9, and it were up to me, I'd have left the Maquis to do what they wanted in the DMZ.

The Maquis further upped the ante when they used biogenic weapons on Cardassian colonies.

I sympathize completely with the cause the Maquis was fighting for --- the problem I have with them, however, is that they took the fight to the Federation with their actions on DS9 and crossed the line with biogenic weapons against the Cardassians.
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Old June 14 2010, 05:39 AM   #7
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They are terrorists. Enemies to peace.

I might add that they willingly remained in the DMZ with full knowledge they would be under Cardassian rule. They could have moved - in the Federation there should be hundreds of suitable worlds. They stay, they reap the consequences.

The opposite of peace is war. The actions of the Maquis risked war with Cardassia (though with their racial hatred of Cardassians, that may have been what the Maquis wanted anyway). The peace treaty must be maintained; the colonists can move, the treaty cannot. There are larger concerns at work here.
I don't think that's any choice at all, personally, between having to leave your home for political reasons or accept crushing, "Stalinist" rule. I blame the weak politicians of the Federation for actually agreeing to Cardassian demands on that one. No doubt Central Command has no problem playing with their people's lives--they knew the Federation would go easy on any incoming Cardassians. But they knew the opportunity to come down on those former Federation worlds with an iron fist. They had to know they were getting the better end of the deal by far. And the Feddies were too stupid to see it, and walked right into it.

Yet for agreeing to it, the Federation became just as bad.

The Maquis attacking nonmilitary targets, using WMDs, and crossing the border to commit terrorist attacks is WAY over the line, and I would have absolutely nothing to do with such tactics.

Being a BIG political thorn in the side of the jackasses that pulled a stunt like that, though? Oh yeah. Peaceful civil disobedience in some fashion would not be out of the question, either.
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Old June 14 2010, 12:06 PM   #8
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Re: The Maquis - where do you stand?

If i was in star fleet i would stay neutral. To be in star fleet you have to believe in it.

If i was just a civilian with no family and no ties, i would be on the front line kicking cardie ass.
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Old June 14 2010, 12:14 PM   #9
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Nerys Ghemor wrote: View Post
My opinion is not up there. I am highly opposed to their methods. At the same time I am highly opposed to what the Federation and the Cardassians BOTH did in that treaty, treating their people like chess/kotra pawns. I would be very, very loud in my opposition, possibly start a group lobbying for repeal and punishing (at the ballot box) the politicians that sold their people down the river (yes, I know, offensive phrase but what the Feddies did to their citizens really WAS that offensive in my book), but not violent or condoning of violence.

Same here.
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Old June 14 2010, 01:25 PM   #10
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Re: The Maquis - where do you stand?

I am not decidet...I agree with NG in the way, that I also don´t like the methods they use...on the other hand I can understand that they are angry about all this.
I do think its not the best threaty that the Federation agreed too...on the other hand I also can see why the Federation made the treaty... and maybe there really was no other solution, than to do it that way.
Also I think the settlers are a bit too stubborn... ok, leaving home is a bad thing, but sometimes maybe a personal sacrefice for the greater good is necessary... if they would get help settle somewhere else, well... that can become home as well.... and with the sacred places and such.... if one has strong spirituality, should it not be enough to carry it within you, no matter where you are?
So..hmm...not decidet...they all have points I agree with and then some I do not agree with... from all sides also the settlers sides should have come more will to find a proper solution I guess.

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Old June 14 2010, 01:48 PM   #11
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they are terrorist pigs and deserved the outcome they got, they should be looked at just as george bush did with his deck cards, he had his ace's of terrorists. all maquis should be annihilated. they are fighting against the greater good. take them all out back and do with them what one would do with the old family dog. these people betrayed there government, and left its protection. thats why the dominion came around to clean cardassian space up.
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Old June 14 2010, 04:16 PM   #12
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I think the treaty was a prime example of the Federation's pussyboy foreign policy. The Federation is supposedly the USA of the Alpha Quadrant and has no practical/functional need to always be accommodating and concessionary.

OK, the previous Cardassian war was a stalemate, and cost a lot of lives. But the Federation should not at all have conceded territory, and if anything should not have allowed Federation citizens to live under Cardassian rule.

I can imagine the group of native Americans that Picard tried to remove getting beaten up and harassed by the Cardassians too.
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Old June 14 2010, 06:33 PM   #13
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The Federation is not the USA, frankly...it's the UN/European Union. One look at their flag is enough to make that clear.
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Old June 14 2010, 06:56 PM   #14
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Well, yeah, at least in terms of the UN flag. Which is why, as a European I find the whole 'UFP appeasing the evil Cardies' aspect of the whole DMZ debacle so tiresome. True, it was a frakup of the lowest order on the part of the Feds but that whole appeasement trope has been done to death. Like political correctness or fascism, it is a word that is overused and under-analysed.

As of the Maquis? My natural inclination would be to consider and condemn them as unprincipled terrorists who caused chaos and bloodshed for the citizens of Cardassia and therefore needed to be stopped. However the shameful and cowardly provocation of both the Central Command and the Obsidian Order (assassins dressed as Bajoran Monks, poisoning food replicators and so on) can excuse the guerrilla war fought by the settlers of the DMZ.

Like NG, I shall not be voting in the poll, mostly because my views are very similar but also because I'm not going to rush to condemn one side or the other. There is blood on the scale for both sides (if we discount the Dominion massacre) and in that the conflict along the Demilitarized Zone is all to true to life...
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Old June 14 2010, 07:00 PM   #15
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The Federation is not the USA, frankly...it's the UN/European Union. One look at their flag is enough to make that clear.
And each Admiral in starfleet is a country in Europe.


So do you think in time every country will join Europe?
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