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Old July 3 2010, 12:01 AM   #31
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With my thanks to Boo who allowed me to adapt his/her review format used in the Buffy rewatch and Keith Topping's excellent fan books Slayer and Hollywood Vampire for inspiration;

City of Angels

The Good;

Impressive opening scenes, funny yet moving. Love Angel choosing the wrong car and very suprising that he doesn't save the girl, at least not the guest star (they use the same time difference trick as they did in Helpless to convince you he will). Especially loved him killing Winters at the end, real vicious stick it in and break it off revenge, great stunt, great effect. Cordy realising that Winter's is a vamp and him initally denying it is also fun.

The Bad;
If Winters had all this security at his House how can Angel just walk into his office?


Best line:
Angel; Can you fly?


Jeez, how did they get away with that?

Winters killing the heroine is very brutal. Also the whole sugardaddy/casting couch scenario shows the stark reality behind the Hollywood glamour.

Apocalypses: 4

Angel Cliches

Damsel in distress; 1

Inverting the Hollywood cliche; Doyle rams the gates of the Winter's mansion but they seem suprisingly resilient. Also Angel fails to save the girl.

In disguise; Angel does his rube in the big city act for the first time

DB get's his shirt off; in order to allow Doyle and Cordy to remove the bullets. Yeah, right!

Fang Gang in bondage: no but he knocks out and ties up the guard at the mansion
Cordy: 5
Angel: 4
Wes: 1

Fang gang knocked out: no but Angel knocks out about 4 guys
Cordy: 6
Angel: 6
Wes: 1

Kills:
Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, � a demon from her time in Sunnydale
Angel: kills 4 vamps in the opening episode which is remarkable as according to Boo's figures he only killed 3 in the whole 3 seasons of Buffy. So that gives Angel 7 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human.

Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 1
Angel: 1

Alternate Fang Gang:
Cordy: 1
Angel: 3


Characters killed:

2; Tina and her missing friend Denise (offscreen)

Total number of Angel Investigations:
3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

Angel Investigations shot:
Angel: 4, pumped full of lead by Winter's bodyguards


Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
Cordy: 1?
Angel: 1;Buffy

Kinky dinky:

Tina appears to be Winter's kept woman. She describes him as 'liking pain' (his own or other peoples?). Cordy also considers him for a sugardaddy much the same as she'll consider doing later to David Nabbit. Tina offers herself to Angel as a reward for saving her but like the white knight he is he gently turns her down.

Captain Subtext;

Oliver at the party considers Angel a 'beautiful man' but only on a professional basis, he's currently in a long term relationship with a landscape gardener. 'Drunk' Angel also gives the appearance of hitting on the guy in the bar.

Questions and observations;

Doyle drinks Colt .45 beer, the equivalent of Tennants Extra in the UK, pretty much in keeping with the down at heel nature of his character. First appearance of Lindsey, he and Angel are the only characters who appear in both the first and last eps of the series. Angel goes all Punisher finding his way to Winters, not hesitating to beat and threaten his way to his goal. The series already appearing much darker and more adult than Buffy. Angel's narration is similar to Angelus' in Passion and Whistler's in Becoming. It's also reminiscent of the noir crime fiction set in LA, could easily be the The Black Dahalia or LA Confidential or Chinatown. When I first saw this I wasn't sure if Winters was a vamp or not, the vamp makeup is subtly different but will eventually fall back into resembling that on Buffy once more. Angel was in Montanna during the depression, maybe Spike's line about vampire cowboy wasn't too far off the mark? Angel tells Cordy there's no cure for vamparism but we'll actually find 3 in the first season alone. Cordy refers to Angel having never developed an investment portfolio but he must get money from somewhere, he seems very well to do. The money he and Darla stole from their victims or does he just have loads of bank accounts with 200 years of interest to collect, much like Highlander Angel shows some knowledge of explosives which he'll also use in Dad but according to the dialogue he's seen 14 wars and Vietnam in his time. Nice crossover when he phones Buffy in Sunnydale.

Marks out of 10; 6/10 good beginning but not compared to the heights Angel will eventually soar to.
The Bad

Weren't Winters and Lindsey at the Wolfram and Hart office? I'd always thought that's where they met.

Kinky Dinky

Winters is an evil soulless vampire. That means he enjoys the pain of others.

Nods to Forever Knight
Angel the series was partly inspired by a TV series called Forever Knight which ran from 1992-1996. Angel paid homage to FK in clothing style, vintage convertible, sleeping arrangements (no coffin) and occupation.

Nick Knight was a vampire who could fly, so Angel's habit of hanging about on rooftops is inspired by Nick Knight's penchant for standing about on the top of buildings, prior to takeoff. Plus, it makes for great photography. Police detective Nick Knight was fabulously rich. Too bad Angel didn't take after Knight in that regard.

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Lindsey was a worthy villain.

Re: the 'cure', the Ring, the blood of the Mohra demon, I get, but what was the third cure?
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Old July 3 2010, 12:14 AM   #32
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Not a Fury are you? Yeah Keith Toppings books are pretty good but I felt the need to do my own.

Lonely Heart

The Good;

Angel on the singles scene is a joy to behold, another commentary on the reality if life in LA. And Kate!

The Bad;
The nightclub actually seems quite hip and not 'stuck in the 80s', better than Henry's.


Best line:

Kate; You can go to hell!
Angel; Been there, done that


Jeez, how did they get away with that?

Can you say 'eviscerated'? The nasty has some obvious influence from the Aliens series and some obvious influence from a very bad film called The Hidden which Kyle Maclachlan made before he got famous.

Apocalypses: 4

Angel Cliches

Damsel in distress; nope, still 1

Inverting the Hollywood cliche; we think there's a male killer picking in helpless females but that's not the case. Also Angel tries to use his grappling hook only to pull the beam down

In disguise; no but he poses as a vet which Fred will also pick as a job for him in Dad

DB get's his shirt off; not this time so that makes 1

Fang Gang in bondage: no although Kate tries to handcuff Angel
Cordy: 5
Angel: 4
Wes: 1

Fang gang knocked out: no but Kate is
Cordy: 6
Angel: 6
Wes: 1

Kills:
Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, ½ a demon from her time in Sunnydale
Angel: 1 demon for Angel. So that gives Angel 7 vamps, 2 demons, 1 human.

Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 1
Angel: 1

Alternate Fang Gang:
Cordy: 1
Angel: 3

Characters killed: 7 including a couple offscreen

Total; 9

Total number of Angel Investigations:
3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

Angel Investigations shot: no although Kate shoots at Angel, shoots the lock out with her backup gun and shoots the bartender at the end.
Angel: 4,

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
Cordy: 1?
Angel: 1;Buffy

Kinky dinky:

On a scale of one to incredible exactly how gorgeous is Kate? No shortage of beautiful women in the Buffy/Angelverse but even so! Hard to imagine her in a cop's uniform (although I'm sure many have with the fanfic to prove it). Only in LA could the character of Sharon be called 'dowdy'. Now, of course this ep was originally known as Corrupt and was much darker in tone. It concentrated largely on Kate who was posing undercover as a prostitute but had gotten too far into her role and was actually having sex with her clients (sounds like the plot of some late night Channel 5 film, 'Undercover Heat' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114786/). The studio said no and the series is probably the better for it (although we still have an oblique reference to sexual dysfunction). Unfortunately this meant we lost this rumoured scene.

Cordy (posing as a streetwalker, approaching a group of hookers on a corner) "Hello fellow prostitutes, how's tricks?"

Hooker; Bitch! If you're living the life I'm Julia Roberts!"

Even so she's still mistaken for a prostitute at the club and will interview a bunch of them in Carpe Noctem. Presumably the scene in the opening titles with the lovely girl in the bikini top getting into the sports car also comes from this sequence. Angel also get's propositioned by a girl who get's turned on by him hitting people. Doyle examines one of Cordy's bras which she thinks is 'So high school'. Kate refers to herself as a 'self flagellating drunken slut'. Doyle uses internet porn. Cordy and Doyle slumber on each other's shoulder.

Captain Subtext;

For the second time in 2 eps Angel is mistaken for hitting on a guy in a bar. Cordy also says she's a student of humanity and can tell one of the clubbers is a 'closet dyke'. Weird she never twigged Willow, huh?

Questions and observations;

The guy who is the third victim says he was a real 'something is out there' geek, a reference to the X-files I almost missed. There's also 'High school's over' which might be a oblique ref to Buffy. Angel sitting alone in the dark rather reminds me of how we first see Bruce Wayne in Batman Returns. Angel muses how different the dating scene is to when he was Liam, small town boy getting used to the big city.

Marks out of 5; 3/5 good ep but Angel still dealing with the case of the week
The Good

Hello, Kate! A much-needed contact with the police opens up. Angel had no way to get much-needed information and here she comes. Huzzah!

The Bad

Creepy sex monster, yuck!

Too bad we missed out on the darker version. Sounds like it would have been fun.

Nods to Forever Knight

Not in this episode...well, if you don't count the coat, the car and the brooding. Nick Knight invented angst, as well as a vampire who can survive on animal blood.


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Old July 3 2010, 12:43 AM   #33
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Old July 3 2010, 01:36 AM   #34
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my loins remains strangely unmoved my cordy. probably cause i can't stand her as a person. gimme fred (or smurf-fred!) any day!
I'm with you, man. I always was more of a Fred guy than a Cordelia guy. I suppose I tend to go for the more bookish Fred/Willow types IRL, rather than the valley girls! lol
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Old July 3 2010, 07:45 PM   #35
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The third way for a vamp to become human is the Shanshu prophecy

Sense and sensitivity

The Good;
Very funny to watch the Cops acting supersensitive but also affecting to see Kate's father and all his little putdowns of her and her emotive speech is a heartbreaker if there ever was one

The Bad;
Hard to put your finger on it but sometimes this ep feels almost too clever for it's own good

Best line:
Angel "My parents were great, tasted a lot like chicken" (and as we later learn he's not joking)

Jeez, how did they get away with that?
Nasty the way little Tony keeps calling Kate a bitch

Apocalypses: 4

Angel Cliches
Damsel in distress; yep 3.
Inverting the Hollywood cliche; supersensitive Cops rather than the macho LAPD we're used to seeing
In disguise; 2. yep, Herb Saunders from Baltimore again
DB get's his shirt off; 2
Cordy's tatto;2
We see it when she's breaking into the police station.

Fang Gang in bondage:
Cordy: 5
Angel: 4
Wes: 1

Fang gang knocked out:
Cordy: 8
Angel: 7
Wes: 1
Doyle; 1

Kills:
Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, ½ a demon from her time in Sunnydale
Angel: 1 demon for Angel. So that gives Angel 8 vamps, 4 demons, 2 humans. It looks like the thing that attacks Fred in Supersymmetry

Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 1
Angel: 1

Alternate Fang Gang: supersensitive Angel
Cordy: 2
Angel: 4

Characters killed: one cop shot although we don't know if he dies?
14

Total number of Angel Investigations:
3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

Angel Investigations shot:
Angel: 5,

Packing heat; unlike the Sunnydale Scoobies Angel Investigations periodically resort to firearms, here Doyle with a shotgun
Doyle; 1

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
Cordy: 1?
Angel: 1;Buffy

Kinky dinky:
Kate wants to picture Angel in his underwear. Kate observes the crush of Doyle on Cordy. One of the Cops states that the stress of his job makes it impossible for him to make love to his wife. AI group hug.

Captain Subtext;
Kate's dad comments that its been so long since he's seen her with a guy he suspected she might be gay. Angel is once more referred to as a 'Nancy boy'. Angel calls CC 'precious'.

Know the face, different character; 1

Parking garages;
2
Guantanamo Bay; Kate's interrogation technique leaves a little something to be desired. Angel beats up another of WR&H's lackey. Trevor comments that in his day they didn't need sensitivity as anyone who read Elmore Leonard knows. Cordy's mum calls for her, one of the few references to her family in the series. Angel uses a mobile phone and night vision. Our first sight of WR&H's HQ and Lee. You've got to hand it to the sensitivity coach, he has a point about Kate and co. How lovely does Kate look in her dress? Rather similar to Dawn's in season 5?

Questions and observations;
Could have been great but just lacks that certain something? Nice to have Kate ask Angel for help and be the focus of the ep. First appearance of Lee. We're later told that WR&H 'own' the police but obviously not yet.
Marks out of 5; 4/10
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Now, of course this ep was originally known as Corrupt and was much darker in tone. It concentrated largely on Kate who was posing undercover as a prostitute but had gotten too far into her role and was actually having sex with her clients (sounds like the plot of some late night Channel 5 film, 'Undercover Heat' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114786/). The studio said no and the series is probably the better for it (although we still have an oblique reference to sexual dysfunction). Unfortunately this meant we lost this rumoured scene.

Cordy (posing as a streetwalker, approaching a group of hookers on a corner) "Hello fellow prostitutes, how's tricks?"

Hooker; Bitch! If you're living the life I'm Julia Roberts!"
While some of that sounds way too dark (especially for the WB), I wish we'd gotten to see that scene of Cordelia trying and badly failing to blend in with a gaggle of street walkers.

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Cordy also says she's a student of humanity and can tell one of the clubbers is a 'closet dyke'. Weird she never twigged Willow, huh?
Pssssst! Willow's not really gay. It was all a publicity stunt!
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Very funny to watch the Cops acting supersensitive but also affecting to see Kate's father and all his little putdowns of her and her emotive speech is a heartbreaker if there ever was one
her dad reminded me a little of Fraiser's dad, Martin Krane, in the early seasons on Fraiser.
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Old July 4 2010, 02:47 PM   #38
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Now, of course this ep was originally known as Corrupt and was much darker in tone. It concentrated largely on Kate who was posing undercover as a prostitute but had gotten too far into her role and was actually having sex with her clients (sounds like the plot of some late night Channel 5 film, 'Undercover Heat' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114786/). The studio said no and the series is probably the better for it (although we still have an oblique reference to sexual dysfunction). Unfortunately this meant we lost this rumoured scene.

Cordy (posing as a streetwalker, approaching a group of hookers on a corner) "Hello fellow prostitutes, how's tricks?"

Hooker; Bitch! If you're living the life I'm Julia Roberts!"
While some of that sounds way too dark (especially for the WB), I wish we'd gotten to see that scene of Cordelia trying and badly failing to blend in with a gaggle of street walkers.

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Cordy also says she's a student of humanity and can tell one of the clubbers is a 'closet dyke'. Weird she never twigged Willow, huh?
Pssssst! Willow's not really gay. It was all a publicity stunt!
Well she has sex with Tara and Kennedy and Got-sex with that female snake demon in the comics (as Buffy does with Satsu) so I think that makes them both officially at least bi. But check out my topic in the Buffy ep by ep reviews for in depth dsscussion on the matter.

The Bachelor Party
The Good; a lovely ep for Doyle adding a lot more depth to his character whilst providing some pretty gruesome comedy. Also like Doyle and Angel vetting CC's date, really gives them a sense of family.
The Bad; SUCH a shame we never see Harry again, that would have been terrific. Does she even know Doyle died?
Best line:
Cordy; "Doyle taught 3rd grade. The kind with children. Are you sure he wasn't just held back and that was his cover story?"
I also like Harry's aghast "Stripper! There was a stripper?"

Jeez, how did they get away with that?
Eating brains? Yuck! Would anyone really like Quails' tongues?
Apocalypses: 4
Angel Cliches
Damsel in distress; nope, 2.
Inverting the Hollywood cliche; friendly demons for the first time
In disguise; 2.
DB get's his shirt off; 2
Cordy's tatto;2
Cheap Angel; the first sign of Angel's notorious meaness as he refers to the resteraunt's suprisingly expensive windows

Fang Gang in bondage: Doyle in the box
Cordy: 5
Angel: 4
Wes: 1
Doyle; 1

Fang gang knocked out: Angel
Cordy: 8
Angel: 8
Wes: 1
Doyle; 1

Kills:
Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, ½ a demon from her time in Sunnydale
Angel: 2 vamps for Angel. So that gives Angel 10 vamps, 3 demons, 2 humans.
Doyle; 1 vamp
What happens to the female vamp at the nest? Does she just run away? Note Cordy actually bites the vamp who attacks her?

Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 1
Angel: 1

Alternate Fang Gang:
Cordy: 2
Angel: 4

Characters killed:
14
Total number of Angel Investigations:
3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

Angel Investigations shot:
Angel: 5,
Packing Heat
Doyle; 1

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Cordy has a date with Mr Armani but he doesn't even get a kiss
Cordy: 1?
Angel: 1;Buffy

Kinky dinky:
The stripper. Is she human or demon? Either way she wears WAAAYYYY too much eyeshadow. Also Harry has bought herself a a nightie for her honeymoon small enough to fit into a matchbox. The girls meanwhile play pornographic pictionary. Doyle asks if Buffy likes men with an Irish accent (has she ever met one?). Apparently the demon women have legs that can bend multipile ways and this is an aid in the sack?
Captain Subtext;
Doyle and Angel's charm seems to be gradually working on CC.
Know the face, different character;
2 Carlos Jacott who plays Richard was Ken in the Buffy ep Anne.
Parking garages;
2
Guantanamo Bay;
Questions and observations;
A good episode, fun and fleshing out the characters. Cordy refers to Xander as a fixer-upper. Our first set of friendly demons but not THAT friendly. It seems very much that demons in the Buffyverse are slowly being won over to the ways of humanity (ESPN). Some great heroism from Doyle and a very nice double act from Cordy and Harry. Despite Doyle's relating Angel's lifestory to him in City of Angels it seems he's never actually seen Buffy.
Marks out of 10; 6/10, good ep
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Kinky dinky:
The stripper. Is she human or demon? Either way she wears WAAAYYYY too much eyeshadow. Also Harry has bought herself a a nightie for her honeymoon small enough to fit into a matchbox. The girls meanwhile play pornographic pictionary. Doyle asks if Buffy likes men with an Irish accent (has she ever met one?). Apparently the demon women have legs that can bend multipile ways and this is an aid in the sack?
Captain Subtext;
Doyle and Angel's charm seems to be gradually working on CC.
Know the face, different character;
2 Carlos Jacott who plays Richard was Ken in the Buffy ep Anne.
If I remember correctly, Angel is supposedly Irish, although DB never got the accent right and I don't thin Buffy ever heard him with the accent.

At the beginning of this episode, I actually thought he was Ken, until I looked it up. I know people re-use actors all the time, but this was quite possibly the most jarring example that I've ever seen, kind of took me out of the episode a bit.

Earlier, I did a Buffy re-watch (I actually started when you did, but I finished very quickly as I hadn't started my summer job yet and my two close friends were out of the country on abroad trips) and now I'm onto Angel. I actually remember more from Angel than I did from Buffy, mostly because of the dinner time reruns that TNT played years ago. I've probably seen every episode a dozen times, but I never really payed too much attention. Now after the Buffy re-watch, I'm really into the whole mythology of it all and Angel became one of my favorite characters.

Due to that, I'm really feeling this show. Because it was a spin off, it's not having trouble finding its feet like Buffy did and because of the small cast, every character gets the screen time I feel they deserve. I've also been intrigued by all the stories so far, even the weaker ones. I'm just really excited about the series at this point.
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Kinky dinky:
The stripper. Is she human or demon? Either way she wears WAAAYYYY too much eyeshadow. Also Harry has bought herself a a nightie for her honeymoon small enough to fit into a matchbox. The girls meanwhile play pornographic pictionary. Doyle asks if Buffy likes men with an Irish accent (has she ever met one?). Apparently the demon women have legs that can bend multipile ways and this is an aid in the sack?
Captain Subtext;
Doyle and Angel's charm seems to be gradually working on CC.
Know the face, different character;
2 Carlos Jacott who plays Richard was Ken in the Buffy ep Anne.
If I remember correctly, Angel is supposedly Irish, although DB never got the accent right and I don't thin Buffy ever heard him with the accent.

At the beginning of this episode, I actually thought he was Ken, until I looked it up. I know people re-use actors all the time, but this was quite possibly the most jarring example that I've ever seen, kind of took me out of the episode a bit.

Earlier, I did a Buffy re-watch (I actually started when you did, but I finished very quickly as I hadn't started my summer job yet and my two close friends were out of the country on abroad trips) and now I'm onto Angel. I actually remember more from Angel than I did from Buffy, mostly because of the dinner time reruns that TNT played years ago. I've probably seen every episode a dozen times, but I never really payed too much attention. Now after the Buffy re-watch, I'm really into the whole mythology of it all and Angel became one of my favorite characters.

Due to that, I'm really feeling this show. Because it was a spin off, it's not having trouble finding its feet like Buffy did and because of the small cast, every character gets the screen time I feel they deserve. I've also been intrigued by all the stories so far, even the weaker ones. I'm just really excited about the series at this point.
Cool, welcome aboard! And I was actually making fun of DB's appalling Irish accent, especially compared to Glenn Quinn's genuine brogue and James Marsters and Alexis Dennisof's excellent English accents
As for streetwalker Cordy well we get her in her 'pet me I'm a whore' waitress outfit in season 2
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DB's got a pretty lame accent that he doesn't really always keep. I think in season 4 he reverts to who he was before he was vampified in his teens and he wonders where his accent went. DB probably said "Okay okay I get it, I sound like I'm the fuckin' love child of Lucky Charms! I'll stop. But I'llll still get me pot 'o gold aye?" Joss: David... no. Just... no. Just do it straight. Go home, watch Darby fuckin' O'Gill and the Little People and Trainspotting. Then come back and maybe you just might not sound like a total tool that people will be complaining about 5 years later on some Internet message board."
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Cool, welcome aboard! And I was actually making fun of DB's appalling Irish accent, especially compared to Glenn Quinn's genuine brogue and James Marsters and Alexis Dennisof's excellent English accents
As for streetwalker Cordy well we get her in her 'pet me I'm a whore' waitress outfit in season 2
That's actually really funny now that I know it was a joke. Clever. Clearly you've been watching a lot of Whedon. And I know what you mean about Dennisof and Marsters. Joss did British characters so well that when I think of England, I think of Spike, Giles and Wesley. Knowing that two of them are American blows my mind.

I think the main reason that Angel is working for me so well right off the bat is because as a spin off, it's almost as if it's season 4, rather than season 1. Rather than starting anew, we get to continue the arcs of Angel, Cordy and Wesley, which is nice. I'm really loving where they're going with Cordy's character. I loved to hate her in Buffy and I'm really growing to love her in Angel.

Angel is also making me hate Joss Whedon! I know Doyle dies, but I'm quickly becoming attached to his character even though I know his days are numbered. This is almost as evil as when he put Amber Benson's name in the opening credits only in the episode where she's killed. haha
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Old July 5 2010, 12:10 PM   #43
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^I was shocked when I first heard Marsters and Denisof talking in American accents IRL. They did that good a job on the show. And yes, Whedon being from America, he does write British characters very well.
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Old July 5 2010, 05:11 PM   #44
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Yeah, ASH's real accent is very different to Giles' too

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The Good;
Love the Oracles to bits, they're just wonderful. Some great fight scenes and pretty much a Bangler's dream come true.
The Bad;
If the demon can regenerate and make itself stronger through salt why doesn't it just do that all the time?
Best line:
Female Oracle; "I love time, there's so much of it, yet so little"

Jeez, how did they get away with that?
Apocalypses: 4
Angel Cliches
Damsel in distress; nope, 2.
Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
In disguise; 2.
DB get's his shirt off; 3 not only that but SMG licks ice-cream from his chest. Really is a Banglers' dream.
Cordy's tatto;2
Cheap Angel; According to CC he's too tight to hire a cleaning lady
Fang Gang in bondage:
Cordy: 5
Angel: 4
Wes: 1

Fang gang knocked out:
Cordy: 8
Angel: 7
Wes: 1
Doyle; 1

Kills:
Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, ½ a demon from her time in Sunnydale
Angel: 1 demon for Angel. So that gives Angel 8 vamps, 4 demons, 2 humans.

Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 1
Angel: 1

Alternate Fang Gang: human Angel
Cordy: 2
Angel: 5

Characters killed: two plant workers but then the day resets so no one
14

Total number of Angel Investigations:
3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

Angel Investigations shot:
Angel: 5,
Packing heat;
Doyle; 1

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Buffy and Angel for the second time and it goes a whole lot better than the first. Trouble is she'll never remember any of it.
Cordy: 1?
Angel: 1;Buffy

Kinky dinky:
Loads of Buffy/Angel action. Cordy comments that when they get 'all groiny' the world falls apart.
Captain Subtext;
Know the face, different character; 2
Parking garages;
2
Guantanamo Bay;
Buffy characters appearing in Angel; (unless someone can correct me no original Angel character ever appears on Buffy?)
5; Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy
Questions and observations;
Cordy's family used to have a cat as well as her pony. Buffy refers to her (and presumably Dawn?) visiting their dad in LA, the last positive reference to Hank Summers we'll ever have. The only time Doyle and Buffy meet. This eps gives us a useful way in which to make vamps human, much used in fanfic as is the reset day. Question is if a non-souled vamp was hit with Mohra demon blood would it be resouled?
Marks out of 10; 6/10, literally an ep that never happened?
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