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Old June 29 2010, 10:31 PM   #16
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Old June 30 2010, 12:07 AM   #17
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Fang Gang in bondage: no although Kate tries to handcuff Angel
Cordy: 5
Angel: 4
Wes: 1

Fang gang knocked out: no but Kate is
Cordy: 6
Angel: 6
Wes: 1
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Old June 30 2010, 12:47 AM   #18
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Hell yeah!
She does look very made up there, though.

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Old June 30 2010, 04:10 AM   #19
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My parents are watching Angel for the first time after seeing all of Buffy...I made them hold off on Angel because with a few exceptions the crossovers are pretty minor and it's kind of annoying to alternate. It'll probably be a bit of a shock for them to see original recipe Spike and Oz again.
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Old June 30 2010, 08:44 AM   #20
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My parents are watching Angel for the first time after seeing all of Buffy...I made them hold off on Angel because with a few exceptions the crossovers are pretty minor and it's kind of annoying to alternate. It'll probably be a bit of a shock for them to see original recipe Spike and Oz again.
I envy your folks to be able to watch the whole series fresh. And yes I included Wes although I know he's not in it yet.

In the dark

The Good;
Spike mocking Angel is excellent, lovely to see Oz and a great rescue and final battle at the pier. Nice end coda too. The Cordy/Oz/Angel scenes are hysterical, as Willow observes both she and Buffy know the love of 2 taciturn men.
The Bad;
Very little, strong ep. Boy Spike is dumb but funnily so. Everyone at the pier seems to take the 2 guys jumping off the end on fire very calmly.

Best line:
Doyle (to Angel); Long time between sunsets huh?

Jeez, how did they get away with that?
Well, Angel get's tortured to nearly death for the majority of the episode. Spike also hints that Marcus has an interest in the kids beyond just eating them. Reputedly this is the ep that got the Angel season 1 dvd boxset an 18 rating in the UK. I don't disagree but what makes this worse than 'Hellbound' which only got a 15 rating?

Apocalypses: 4
Angel Cliches
Damsel in distress; yep, that makes 2
Inverting the Hollywood cliche; rather than play the unbreakable tough guy Angel admits that with a little more torture he'd have told Marcus everything. Cordy notes the Gem isn't in the freezer or toilet tank as it would be in the movies.
In disguise; no
DB get's his shirt off; no but we get some torso action, Marcus commenting he has 'little external damage'.

Fang Gang in bondage: yep, Angel for virtually the whole ep
Cordy: 5
Angel: 5
Wes: 1

Fang gang knocked out:
Cordy: 6
Angel: 6
Wes: 1

Kills:
Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, ½ a demon from her time in Sunnydale
Angel: Another vamp for Angel. So that gives Angel 8 vamps, 2 demons, 1 human.

Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 1
Angel: 1

Alternate Fang Gang:
Cordy: 1
Angel: 3

Characters killed: only Marcus
9;

Total number of Angel Investigations:
3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

Angel Investigations shot: no
Angel: 4,

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
Cordy: 1?
Angel: 1;Buffy

Kinky dinky:
Spike refers to Buffy as 'slutty the vampire slayer' and teases Angel over Buffy's affair with Parker.
Captain Subtext;
Spike's speech on Angel is full of homophobia. He also asks if Angel and Marcus would like to be alone when running his hands over Angel's naked torso. Spike comments that Buffy is 'cute when she's hurting', you wonder did he always have a thing for her? Such a shame we never get to meet Doyle's wonderfully named friend 'Frankie Tripod'.
Buffy characters appearing in Angel; (unless someone can correct me no original Angel character ever appears on Buffy?)
4; Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike
Questions and observations;
Why does Angel grab his neck when Marcus puts the chain around it? Surely he doesn't breathe? Marcus wears glasses which presumably like Dalton in Buffy are for sentimental reasons. Doyle has read Angela's Ashes and it reduces him to tears (the novel focuses on the shiftless father so it may appeal to Doyle who never knew his). Angel once again beats his way to what he wants, without Buffy's influence he tends to be a lot more brutal. It's a great performance from Kevin West who is a very familar face on TV (although I thought he was in Scrubs and Ally McBeal but he isn't, that's Robert Clendenin another actor with a similar look). Marcus wears a Bond style Nehru jacket. Angel knows Doyle's mother. This is Angel investigations first walk-in client and her problem for once is just a very human jerk ex-boyfriend rather than anything Supernatural. Ok so the ring makes vamps unkillable, even if you cut their heads' off?
Marks out of 10; 6/10
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Old June 30 2010, 02:41 PM   #21
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^ It did not take them long to start bringing on the Buffy crossovers,but 'In The Dark' remains a very good ep of Angel. I love Spike mocking Angel in the teaser, too.

Yes, Spike I think had a thing for Buffy right from the beginning. There's the 'hello, cutie' line in Becoming part 2, remember?

You're right, no original Angel characters ever appear on Buffy, although Doyle and Fred are alluded to (Angel talks about the source from his friend with visions in Buffy season 4 'Pangs'; and Andrew picks up a phone call from an 'effeminate man' called Fred in season 7. But no guest appearances)
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Old June 30 2010, 03:09 PM   #22
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Cordy also says she's a student of humanity and can tell one of the clubbers is a 'closet dyke'. Weird she never twigged Willow, huh?
Ah, but was Willow ever really closeted? She just kind of discovered her attraction to Tara when she met her, rather than hiding an attraction to women all along.

Angel sitting alone in the dark rather reminds me of how we first see Bruce Wayne in Batman Returns.
Oh, they weren't even trying to pretend it wasn't Batman at this point.

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Well, Angel get's tortured to nearly death for the majority of the episode.
This whole bit where Angel admits under torture that what he's looking for is forgiveness seemed a bit clumsy and obvious to me, but that's becuase it's specifically there to get the new people up to speed on Angel's character in case they weren't already Buffy veterans.
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^ It did not take them long to start bringing on the Buffy crossovers,
Whereas this is to make sure the Buffy veterans were watching.

Why does Angel grab his neck when Marcus puts the chain around it? Surely he doesn't breathe?
Spike: Watch it! You're cutting off my circulation.
Buffy: You don't have any circulation.
Spike: Well, it pinches.
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Old June 30 2010, 07:22 PM   #23
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In The Dark isn't perfect, but it's a strong episode for Cordy. I liked the chemistry between Charisma Carpenter and Glenn Quinn;the former living up to her name. Plus, she looks dang good holding that crossbow!

Didn't like Marcus quite so much; the actor's performance never really convinced me. The ring of whatever-it-was seemed a little premature,too, as much of the audinence would have been less than overly familiar with Angel's predicament. It would no doubt have meant more if introduced at a much later date.
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Old July 1 2010, 08:36 AM   #24
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Charisma looks pretty good no matter what

I fall to pieces

The Good;
Great horror concept, you could almost imagine a feature film based upon it, some excellent emotional stuff too and as always Cordy brings the funny. My favourite scene is where Meltzer throws his teeth at Angel and then recoils in pain as Angel smashes them against the wall.

The Bad;
The severed limbs scenes don't really convince, when you see Thing in The Adams Family it's much better

Best line:
Cordy; "Here's this poor girl, she hooks up with a doctor. That's supposed to be a good thing!"
Jeez, how did they get away with that?
Virtually all of the Beast with Five Fingers stuff

Apocalypses: 4
Angel Cliches
Damsel in distress; yep, making 2. However, Doyle says there's 4 in total and 3 very much alive, Presumably the girl from City of Angels is the dead one and the girl from In the Dark is another making 2 more we don't see.
Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
In disguise; 1. Angel poses as a successful businessman but no disguise
DB get's his shirt off; not this ep so still 1

Fang Gang in bondage: no
Cordy: 5
Angel: 4
Wes: 1

Fang gang knocked out: all of them
Cordy: 7
Angel: 7
Wes: 1
Doyle; 1

Kills:
Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, ½ a demon from her time in Sunnydale
Angel: 1 human for Angel. So that gives Angel 8 vamps, 2 demons, 2 humans.

Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 1
Angel: 1

Alternate Fang Gang:
Cordy: 1
Angel: 3

Characters killed: the poor cop Kate sends to guard the building
10

Total number of Angel Investigations:
3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

Angel Investigations shot: Angel with the tranquiliser gun (as with Dopplegangland in Buffy why not use that to knock vamps out then cut their heads off?)
Angel: 5,

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
Cordy: 1?
Angel: 1;Buffy

Kinky dinky:
What the heck do Meltzer's hands do under the sheets?
Captain Subtext;
Doyle admits that Angel holds a certain attraction to him
Know the face, different character; 1
Andy Umberger who plays Dr Meltzer is also D'Hoffryn on Buffy.
Parking garages; seemingly a staple of the series, one here and in COA
2
Questions and observations;
This is the 4th ep of the series and we're told that Cordy has been working for him for a month so this suggests the series is in real time, one ep per week. Angel drinks coffee now, presumably to keep him up for his cases as he told Joyce he didn't drink it in The Prom. Isn't it a bit unpatriotic for Doyle to drink Scotch, shouldn't he drink whiskey with an e? Cordy gives the Angel Investigations motto 'We help the hopeless'. Oddly here Cordy 'Scullys' Angel, suggesting a non-Supernatural solution. He's actually open to the suggestion but points out correctly that Doyle has a vision. Angel just appears to be able to walk into Kate's police station no problem at all. Meltzer actually shows a lot of compassion for Angel's story of his wife. I don't know if it's deliberate but Scrubs has a character called Dr Zeltzer who's also a major weirdo and even looks quite like Dr Meltzer.
It's noticeable that at this stage of Angel the Supernatural underworld is just that, it's not out in the open as it will be later, we're still dealing with the everyday clashing with the incredible.
Marks out of 5; 4/5 one of the classic eps of season 1
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Old July 1 2010, 03:07 PM   #25
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Charisma looks pretty good no matter what
my loins remains strangely unmoved my cordy. probably cause i can't stand her as a person. gimme fred (or smurf-fred!) any day!
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Old July 1 2010, 06:53 PM   #26
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Oddly Fred/Illyria never did anything for me, she lacks the porn star good looks of the other scoobygirls. Surely CC grows on you?
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Old July 1 2010, 07:44 PM   #27
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Exhibit A.


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Old July 2 2010, 01:00 AM   #28
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Kate: the other hot Lockley!
Oh yeah! Anyone got the pic of Traci as the holowhore from River of Souls?
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Me, too.

Umm.... that is, I'll be in MY bunk. Just to be clear.
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Old July 2 2010, 06:08 AM   #29
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Oddly Fred/Illyria never did anything for me, she lacks the porn star good looks of the other scoobygirls. Surely CC grows on you?
well, sometime in season 2 cordy does become tolerable, but by the end, i hate her so goddam much i can't believe i ever tolerated her. (to be clear, that point comes when she sleeps with Angel's son, which, yes, i get it, is because she is carrying evil in her belly, but frankly - it just ain't that far out of character).

i hate cordy. deeply.
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Old July 2 2010, 08:00 AM   #30
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Give the girl a break, we all do crazy things when the world is ending

Rm w/a vu

The Good;

Everything, an emotional rollercoaster for Doyle and Cordy and the introduction of Phantom Dennis. Great performance from Beth Grant, a great actress you can also see in Speed, Six Foot Under, Donnie Darko etc

The Bad;

Bit of a reach that the ghost can do a perfect imitation of Angel's voice, is she the Terminator or something?

Best line:

Cordy (of Angel) "Do you have mousse? Of course you do!"


Jeez, how did they get away with that?

Doyle's hand getting jammed in the drawer, Cordy almost getting hanged, Maude Peirson walling her son up.

Apocalypses: 4

Angel Cliches

Damsel in distress; nope, 2.

Inverting the Hollywood cliche;

In disguise; 1.

DB get's his shirt off; wet, dripping and nearly naked 2

Cordy's tatto; our first glimpse

Fang Gang in bondage: Cordy almost hung, don't think thats counts
Cordy: 5
Angel: 4
Wes: 1

Fang gang knocked out: yep, Cordy
Cordy: 8
Angel: 7
Wes: 1
Doyle; 1


Kills:
Cordy: none this ep. 3 vamps, � a demon from her time in Sunnydale
Angel: 1 demon for Angel. So that gives Angel 8 vamps, 3 demons, 2 humans.

Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 1
Angel: 1

Alternate Fang Gang: possessed Cordy
Cordy: 2
Angel: 3

Characters killed: Dennis and a trio of the flat residents offscreen

14


Total number of Angel Investigations:
3, Angel, Doyle and Cordy

Angel Investigations shot: loads of gunplay but no
Angel: 5,

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
Cordy: 1?
Angel: 1;Buffy

Kinky dinky:

Maude calls Cordy a tramp and streetwalker, good thing they didn't go through with the storyline of Corrupt huh?

Captain Subtext;

Know the face, different character; 1

Parking garages;

2

Guantanamo bay;

Once again Angel doesn't hesitate to beat his way to the answers

Questions and observations;

Excellent ep with loads of good scenes and some real emotional impact, easily one of the best of season 1. I for one find it heartbreaking that Cordy has only five names in her LA phonebook and 3 are crossed out. Aura, her Sunnydale friend is the girl who finds the corpse in her locker in Welcome to the Hellmouth on Buffy.

Marks out of 5; 8/10
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