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Old August 12 2012, 09:18 PM   #76
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Re: Is a Hollywood liberal conspiracy keeping 'Red Dawn' from release?

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The thread's two years old, it was just necroed now.
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Old August 12 2012, 09:48 PM   #77
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Re: Is a Hollywood liberal conspiracy keeping 'Red Dawn' from release?

To be fair, the movie still hasn't opened . . . .
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Old August 12 2012, 09:53 PM   #78
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Re: Is a Hollywood liberal conspiracy keeping 'Red Dawn' from release?

Well, the original movie wasn't exactly plausible, either. I find both scenarios (China invading and NK invading) equally ridiculous. Considering the economic ties China has with the West and the US and NK's government's crazyness, I tend to think North Korea trying something like that is actually a tad more plausible.
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Old August 12 2012, 09:53 PM   #79
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They're probably just worried about pissing off the Chinese.

It is rather disturbing that a foreign power can essentially keep us from releasing a movie that we ourselves made.
Looks like MLB's comment wasn't so dumb after all.

Fucking North Korea? Why not just make them Space Commies instead to be more realistic?
The basic thought (let's not piss off China) wasn't dumb. Of course the studios don't want to upset the Chinese. That's a huge box office market, and they'd be stupid not to take advantage of it.

What was dumb was the paranoid handwringing. The movie was delayed for so long because MGM had been going through bankruptcy issues, nothing more. It's the same reason why Skyfall has taken so long to get made. At some point during the delay, either MGM or the people actually working on the movie realized "Hey, why throw away all that potential Chinese revenue over a dumb, silly action movie?" So they took advantage of the delay by altering the movie in post-production to make the Chinese invaders North Koreans.

Is it stupid and implausible? Sure, but the Chinese actually invading the United States was pretty implausible, too. Not just because they simply can't do it (yet), but because the two countries have far too many economic entanglements to risk going to war. The US owes China boatloads of cash. Why throw all that away over a dumb, silly war?
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Old August 13 2012, 07:53 AM   #80
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Is it stupid and implausible? Sure, but the Chinese actually invading the United States was pretty implausible, too. Not just because they simply can't do it (yet), but because the two countries have far too many economic entanglements to risk going to war. The US owes China boatloads of cash. Why throw all that away over a dumb, silly war?
is there enough gold in Fort Knox so they can steal it back? or the better question. Is there any gold there?
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Old August 14 2012, 12:10 AM   #81
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We went to the movies this weekend, and they played the trailer for "Red Dawn," and the audience laughed at it--and not in a good way.

I'm thinking that reaction is one of the main reasons, along with the edits and the MGM bankruptcy, that no one was in a particular rush to release this.
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Old August 14 2012, 05:58 AM   #82
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Re: Is a Hollywood liberal conspiracy keeping 'Red Dawn' from release?

NK invading the US is about as plausible as the UK invading Russia. Even if the entire population was mobilized and given a rifle and a ride on the invisible fleet that bypasses our navy, air force and THE PACIFIC OCEAN, then defeats our army and marines, they still couldn't occupy California, let alone the west coast or wider U.S. There are less North Koreans than there are Californians, by about 12 million. At least the Chinese have the numbers to be a threat, if not the navy or air force or logistics chain to have a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding.

The Norks have magic EMPs, though, so it's all good.

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(I'll still see the matinee in the hope it's as complete hilarious cheese as the original)
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Old August 14 2012, 07:39 AM   #83
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Realistically China is more likely to invade than North Korea. To change the enemy in the Red Dawn Remake from China to North Korea is ridiculous. North Korea will have a hard time fighting the technologically superior South Koreans. It is extremely impossible for them to invade the US mainland.

For the makers of this movie to make these changes so that they will not suffer a backlash from the PRC government is an act of pure cowardice.
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Old August 14 2012, 08:40 AM   #84
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For the makers of this movie to make these changes so that they will not suffer a backlash from the PRC government is an act of pure cowardice.
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Old August 14 2012, 08:43 AM   #85
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Why don't they just make the characters defend a small Pacific Island?

That would make more sense.
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Old August 14 2012, 03:09 PM   #86
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Why don't they just make the characters defend a small Pacific Island?

That would make more sense.
That reminds me. They should turn the first Operation: Flashpoint game into a movie. That was actually fairly plausible, and cool.
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Old August 14 2012, 03:23 PM   #87
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Well, the original movie wasn't exactly plausible, either. I find both scenarios (China invading and NK invading) equally ridiculous. Considering the economic ties China has with the West and the US
Actually, given that the US's biggest ties with China involve us owing them money I can see a plausible scenario of china calling in its loans, The US defaulting, and China exacting a penalty in the form of demanding (or conquering) American territory in compensation or demanding American compliance as they take Taiwan back by force and make moves to dominate the Pacific Rim.

But the leftists keep telling me China and the US are best buds now, so whatever...
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Old August 14 2012, 03:28 PM   #88
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Well, the original movie wasn't exactly plausible, either. I find both scenarios (China invading and NK invading) equally ridiculous. Considering the economic ties China has with the West and the US
Actually, given that the US's biggest ties with China involve us owing them money I can see a plausible scenario of china calling in its loans, The US defaulting, and China exacting a penalty in the form of demanding (or conquering) American territory in compensation or demanding American compliance as they take Taiwan back by force and make moves to dominate the Pacific Rim.

But the leftists keep telling me China and the US are best buds now, so whatever...


You may want to study up on world affairs a bit more, because the scenario you're describing is not the least bit plausible. China's not interested in invading anyone, except maybe Taiwan, and even that, they would only do if Taiwan did something provocative (like unilaterally declaring independence, which I would hope they aren't dumb enough to do.) China likes the status quo. If the US simply quit paying them, China can hurt us right back by refusing to export anything to us--which, of course, also hurts China.
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Old August 14 2012, 03:35 PM   #89
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Well, the original movie wasn't exactly plausible, either. I find both scenarios (China invading and NK invading) equally ridiculous. Considering the economic ties China has with the West and the US
Actually, given that the US's biggest ties with China involve us owing them money I can see a plausible scenario of china calling in its loans, The US defaulting, and China exacting a penalty in the form of demanding (or conquering) American territory in compensation or demanding American compliance as they take Taiwan back by force and make moves to dominate the Pacific Rim.

But the leftists keep telling me China and the US are best buds now, so whatever...
How would they get there and besides what would stop an US nuclear sub from bombing Beijing?
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Well, the original movie wasn't exactly plausible, either. I find both scenarios (China invading and NK invading) equally ridiculous. Considering the economic ties China has with the West and the US
Actually, given that the US's biggest ties with China involve us owing them money I can see a plausible scenario of china calling in its loans, The US defaulting, and China exacting a penalty in the form of demanding (or conquering) American territory in compensation or demanding American compliance as they take Taiwan back by force and make moves to dominate the Pacific Rim.

But the leftists keep telling me China and the US are best buds now, so whatever...
How would they get there
China just bought an aircraft carrier from Russia. I'm pretty sure they'd be willing to buy transport ships and planes to go with it.

and besides what would stop an US nuclear sub from bombing Beijing?
Nothing. The same nothing that would stop the Chinese governement from retreating to emergency shelters before the weapons hit and launching the campaign anyway.

But whatever...China loves us and would never hurt us...okay...
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