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Old October 15 2010, 10:20 PM   #76
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Re: Star Trek: Voyager - A Marathon Re-visit.

I absolutely love the way she walks around these two, and takes in the hair pasta on their clothes.

JANEWAY: Would anyone care to explain?
PARIS: It might be too long to go into right now, Captain.
JANEWAY: Very well. I have a mission for the two of you. We have reason to believe that there are food sources on this planet, but we can't transport to the surface. You're going to take a shuttle down and do a little scouting.
NEELIX: Me? And him?
JANEWAY: He's our best pilot, and you're our expert on edible plant species in this quadrant.
PARIS: Uh, Captain, I'm not one to pass up a mission, but in this circumstance, maybe Ensign Baytart who is a fine pilot
JANEWAY: There are electromagnetic anomalies in the atmosphere and I would rather have you at the helm. Am I discerning a personal problem here, gentlemen?
NEELIX: Frankly, yes, Captain.
JANEWAY: Solve it. You leave at fourteen hundred hours.

I also love the fact that here in season 2, we are still hearing about shortages of resources, and see the crew trying to fend for themselves, rather than rely "on the kindness of strangers".
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Old October 15 2010, 11:20 PM   #77
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^^ This is also proof to the "haters" that they did restock supplies. Errr that argument just erks me. Also there is character conflict (that voyager has none of) and relationship development... also lacks in the series...

Ooops sorry I don't mean to paick a fight

This is a great Ep.
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Old October 16 2010, 06:21 AM   #78
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I probably should've touched on this in my review, but yes I like the fact that resource dilemmas are being discussed.

Oh, and I can't believe I forgot to mention the PASTA FIGHT. I wrote it in my notes for the episode but I forgot to mention it entirely. The PASTA FIGHT probably bumped this up from a 2 to a 3 on that basis alone.

As for the character conflict. Yes, I love it but as I said the problem with it between Neelix and Paris is that it entirely relies on Neelix being a total moron, making their conflict feel forced rather than a natural result of their personalities.

What I really want more of is Janeway and Chakotay arguing and we haven't had any of that for a while.
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Old October 17 2010, 01:21 AM   #79
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^^ This is also proof to the "haters" that they did restock supplies. Errr that argument just erks me. Also there is character conflict (that voyager has none of) and relationship development... also lacks in the series...

Ooops sorry I don't mean to paick a fight

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Old October 22 2010, 09:24 AM   #80
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enjoying your reviews, please keep them coming!
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Old October 22 2010, 09:28 AM   #81
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PERSISTENCE OF VISION - 2x08 - 1/5

Things start off with Janeway stressing, and then taking it out on Harry. Does this count as Harry Horror? Either way, it's the only entertaining aspect of this awful episode.

I am sick to death of this period drama already so to see it in this episode go from, annoying filler to a major part of the story, with Janeway seeing the characters everywhere, is just painful.

I already have difficulty caring about holo-drama episodes, and this is a particularly BAD holo-drama episode. I ESPECIALLY don't want to watch a story about Janeway taking part in ANOTHER story. This scene drags on far too long.

I just can't bring myself to care about anything in this episode. The whole thing plays out with a tedious inevitability and I found it almost unwatchable.

The only reason this episode gets a 1 rather than 0, is simply for Kes saving the day.
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Old October 25 2010, 01:50 AM   #82
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^ Personally I'd rate it higher simply there are worse Voyager episodes. The concept of the alien was interesting although I agree with you on the overuse of the holodeck.
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Old October 25 2010, 02:09 AM   #83
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Well, I still consider '0' a score, so I've always got that. I don't want to be lenient on an episode under the assumption there will be worse episodes. It may be warranted, but it's fairly pessimistic and I am trying to tackle this re-watch with as open a mind as possible.
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Old October 27 2010, 10:04 PM   #84
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Haha, I liked Janeway's holoprogram, it was pretty fun.
Overall "Persistence of Vision" is a fairly entertaining piece of fluff, somewhat reminiscent of earlier TNG.
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Old November 1 2010, 06:14 AM   #85
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TATTOO - 2x09 - 2/5

Okay, so it's good that Chakotay is getting some character development. I like this, and for the most part I really like seeing his relationship with his father as a teen, and the regret he feels for being so ignorant.

But the way they go about providing backstory and not to mention completely re-writing native American cultural history is just bizarre at best; offensive at worst. I guess I am not really in a position to comment on this, but I try to put myself in the same situation, and pretend that Star Trek is telling me that my cultural heritage was just given to my ancestors by space aliens and not learned or developed through our own ingenuity and imagination because we were too dumb to evolve by ourselves.

There are some nice touches in this episode, like the Doctor getting the flu (Picardo is superb as always) and Voyager falling into the eye of a cyclone was very pretty.

Overall, this is good for Chak - not so good for American Indians.

Oh and the visual of the tree falling on Chakotay is so laughably bad - 90's sci-fi is better than ham like this!
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Old November 5 2010, 03:27 AM   #86
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COLD FIRE - 2x10 - 4/5

The episode opens with a re-cap of the events in Caretaker. It's a little odd, as beyond multi-part episodes, I can't recall Star Trek doing this before (until you get into late DS9). I suppose it allows more screen time for the plot rather than wasting time on exposition.

There's a lot to like about this episode, though not really much to think about. I like the development of the Ocampans - finding out there others (and maybe more) scattered throughout the quadrant. Voyager getting a bad reputation through second and third hand stories is good. It gives their actions greater significance and weight and is a realistic result of their situation in the Delta Quadrant.

There's some pretty dark imagery in this episode, such as Tuvok's blood boiling and the bodies of crew members hanging, dripping blood in Engineering. The music is pretty suspenseful at times too.

Making Susperia personified as a little girl with a scary voice is a mega cliche, but one that doesn't bother me too much. All in all, this was a lot of fun and provided some great development for Kes.
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Old November 9 2010, 12:17 PM   #87
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MANEUVERS - 2x11 - 3/5

This opens quite intensely for once you get a real sense of Voyager being vulnerable (at least for me) for the first time in the series. The ship is easily taken off-guard and boarded with little incident.

That said, any threat you feel from the Kazon is instantly diluted by the fact these are without a doubt the stupidest alien species in the history of Trek, or dare I say, in the history of science fiction. They're irritatingly stupid. So I suppose it's nice to see them being used by Seska.

There's some good interaction between BLT and Chakotay, and I wish the show had more stuff about their Maquis roots and experiences.

This episode is good fun and Chak's personal score with Seska being the core of the drama is solid. Plus the torture scene gives Beltran some acting time - a rare occurance.

Unfortunately I find episodes like this fall a little flat for me as the Kazon really just don't do anything for me. The small amount of depth they were given in "Initiations" isn't really expanded upon and you really get a sense that sometimes they're quickly consulting their "How to be the Bad Guy for Dummies" books whilst no one's looking.

If the Kazon were just plain better, then I would probably have scored this higher but they ruin a lot of the drama and intensity of many scences. The strengths of this episode really just come down to Chakotay and his personal score with Seska.

I noted towards the end of this episode that it really should've been called "Let's Kick Chak in the Balls for 40 minutes."
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Old November 9 2010, 01:29 PM   #88
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MANEUVERS - 2x11 - 3/5

That said, any threat you feel from the Kazon is instantly diluted by the fact these are without a doubt the stupidest alien species in the history of Trek, or dare I say, in the history of science fiction. They're irritatingly stupid. So I suppose it's nice to see them being used by Seska.
Au Contraire.... http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Pakled

Loved this ep for, as you pointed out, all the Chakotay/Seska stuff, the Chakotay/B'Elanna stuff but also the B'Elanna/Janeway head butting scenes and of course the Chakotay/Janeway scene at the end.

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The Pakleds managed to outsmart the Enterprise crew though. :P
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