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Old September 9 2010, 06:03 AM   #46
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Re: Star Trek: Voyager - A Marathon Re-visit.

Expand on that.

By the way, I've calculated the average score for Season 1 at 3.13, which is a pretty decent average! Then again, I've always liked season 1 of voyager so this is no real surprise.

Looking forward to how the later seasons fare, which is about where I lost faith in the series all those years ago.

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Old September 13 2010, 02:55 AM   #47
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THE 37's - 2x01 - 2/5

This is an episode I remember greatly and have seen quite a few times, and unfortunately, it's one that's gotten worse over time.

The things that are still enjoyable for me:

Janeway's Crisis: The difficulty of this situation is interesting for her character and with no right or wrong answer, Janeway leaves the decision up to the crew. Personally I think it's a little unrealistic that no crewmembers would want to stay, but I guess that would've lessened the emotional impact of opening the cargo bay door to find it empty.

Earhart: Her character is interestingly portrayed and I enjoy her curiosity about the future and more importantly, about Voyager. I love when she asks Tom if she can take Voyager for a spin.

The Bad Stuff.

Landing the Ship: WHY. They come up with some technobabble reason for landing the ship, which is mostly hinged upon some ion storm or something that they can't beam through or risk a shuttlecraft. Okay sure, this is fine so far. Where this goes wrong is after landing, when they are seen walking around outside the ship, the sky blue and Janeway remarks: "Nice day!" IF IT WERE SUCH A NICE DAY WHY RISK LANDING THE SHIP? If the weather was on the verge of clearing, couldn't they have just waited a short amount of time before landing?

Magnificent Cities: Where are they? Evansville talks about their wonderful cities, but all we see as an audience is this generic semi-arid landscape. I mean, I am not talking about seeing a full CG or physically modeled rendition of one of these bustling metropolises, but just a matte painting would have been nice. This might seem like a minor point, but the absence of a visual reference hurts this episode greatly, as it glosses over the achievements of these humans who have flourished over the last 400 years and doesn't sell the temptation of Voyager's crew to stay on this planet to the audience.

Overall, a Wasted Opportunity: There was so much potential for this episode to be really good and I would have liked to have seen more/better conflict between The 37's, the other humans and Voyager's crew. I mean, one of them is a Japanese pilot from the imperial army. There should have been a scene showing the difficulties this guy might have with the transition. I am also not happy with Earhart's flight being classified by this episode as espionage. I feel this detracts from Earhart's achievements by theorising that her flight was just gimmick that could be exploited by the US government.

Oh, and there's a particularly goofy moment at the start of the episode where upon bringing the Space Ford aboard, Tom Paris says: "I wonder if the battery is still charged." NO TOM. Car batteries definitely do not hold their charge for over 400 years. You're lucky if they last 12 months without being charged. I won't hold this against the episode, but I thought I would point it out as it amused me greatly.
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Old September 13 2010, 07:25 AM   #48
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Expand on that.
Five words:

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Old September 13 2010, 07:46 AM   #49
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I am all for shit like that, as long as the episode has other good stuff to back it up. Learning Curve fails to deliver in that regard.
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Old September 14 2010, 04:56 AM   #50
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I thought it was a fun romp.
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Old September 15 2010, 05:00 AM   #51
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The 37s was pure trash of the highest order, nearly everything about it annoyed me, but I was particularly pissed off about them talking about how amazing the cities are and we get nothing.
And the whole premise of finding the car from outerspace....actually the whole premise of the episode is just freaking awful.
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Old September 15 2010, 09:56 AM   #52
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I thought the premise of the episode was fine, and if anything, was a good setup for a potentially great story. Unfortunately, they just didn't go anywhere with it.
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Old September 17 2010, 06:38 AM   #53
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INITIATIONS - 2x02 - 4/5

I really like this episode and it's a solid outing for Chakotay (something of a rarity which will only worsen). It's also nice to get some fleshing out of the Kazon, even if they are a fantastically stupid race of people.

Voyager gets relegated to the role of following breadcrumbs the audience is already aware of, making every scene on the ship entirely pointless. However, I like the fact Voyager is brought into the action towards the latter half the episode.

Even Neelix gets a great scene where he gets to be a bad-ass negotiator. This is the sort of stuff he should be getting to do more often, instead torturing the crew with horrendous food and an even worse sense of humour.

It's a shame that Kar couldn't be brought onto the ship as a permanent character or even a semi-regular. Something I love about DS9 is it's vast ensemble cast who are called upon when the story requires it. Kar could've been someone who stayed on Voyager, but only popped up when the story necessitated but this seems to something Voyager almost entirely steers clear of through it's run.

I will say, I find the ending a little annoying. Kar pulls some Deus Ex Culture and comes up with some arbitrary cultural precedent out to resolve what appears to be an impossible situation. It would have been good if there'd been SOME mention of this ritual before hand, but I guess Kenneth Biller wanted a surprise conclusion. But you just can't pull something out of nowhere and use it to resolve the situation. All this ending needed to prop it up would've been a line somewhere earlier that could possibly set a precedent for this act, but there wasn't.

That aside, I really enjoyed this episode and Eisenberg's portrayal of Kar is so solid that I can almost forget it's Nog's voice yelling about honour and sacrifice.
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Old September 17 2010, 02:08 PM   #54
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As is obvious, this isn't going at the speed I originally planned. At this stage, I'm looking at having Endgame reviewed by the end of this year.
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Old September 17 2010, 06:15 PM   #55
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URK! I hated Initiations and haven't yet rewatched it, perhaps I should. It was just so dull...
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Old September 18 2010, 04:24 AM   #56
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I remember it being dull too, but this time when I watched it I quite enjoyed it.
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Old September 18 2010, 06:02 AM   #57
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PROJECTIONS - 2x03 - 2/5

The setup for this episode is nice. An abandoned ship, the doctor at the centre of a mystery. Unfortunately, once Barclay shows up (who by the way, whilst nice to have around, doesn't really add anything because after all, it isn't Barclay), things just sort of play out in a predictable and not to mention, dull fashion.

Neelix does get an amusing moment where he's found in the mess hall, throwing food at a Kazon, thus proving that this species is so stupid that an armed soldier is held at bay
by fruit and vegetables.

I guess the problem with this episode is that once it's discovered this is a holo-drama situation, it loses all dramatic impact for me. I still can't get past seeing the holodecks as a big video game that you can physically interact with. Because of this any drama and tension feels contrived and generally falls flat.

The age old "why don't they just turn it off?" always has some technobabble explanation, although most of those explanations boil down to "there is no OFF button", to which I respond with "why???".

Picardo does a great job acting the hell out of this episode, but unfortunately, he's the only reason I got through this to the end. Even then, my attention wandered a lot and I was worried I wouldn't have much to write for this review, but here we are.
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Old September 19 2010, 10:17 AM   #58
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ELOGIUM - 2x04 - 3/5

This episode contains a lot of Neelix annoying the hell out of me in the beginning and then using him to explore the issues surrounding potential fatherhood, although, it's explored in a very superficial manner.

There are two stories going on; Kes's drama with her potential pregnancy, and the external issue of the space worms attempting to mate with Voyager.

I can't help but enjoy this episode. Kes' issue is tragic, and this point isn't glossed over like so many issues in Star Trek, but has some humourous moments here and there - such as her madly eating the flowers Neelix has brought for her.

Then there's the problem with the space worms, which is pretty goofy, but again, at no point was I not enjoying what I was seeing.

The episode also stops for a moment to consider the issues surrounding Voyager becoming a mobile community in space, and the benefits and dangers therein. It's also a nice touch at the end of the episode that Ensign Wildman informs Janeway of her conceiving a child, an event that results in a semi-permanent new cast member, something this show needed a lot more of.

I have to say, the ridiculousness of Ocampan biology cannot be overstated and each time Kes adds some new bizarre aspect to their mating ritual, I couldn't help but feel this was some weird prank.

However, the space worm problem and solution is a quintessentially Star Trek story and put a smile on my face, especially when Tuvok dryly announces: "It appears we have lost our sex appeal."
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Old September 19 2010, 03:55 PM   #59
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I hated the space worm sideplot, its the typical mumbo jumbo technobabble crap Jeri Taylor feels she has to latch onto the side of a character piece to fill up space.
Another example would be "Real Life".
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Old September 19 2010, 07:27 PM   #60
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Re: Projections... I love the fact that we get to see the evil side of Kes... at the end when she puts doubt into the Doc's head whether he's real or not. (And he goes to test it by putting his arm out the door.)

Re: Elogium....How can anyone not like an ep with this line?

JANEWAY: Good work, Commander. In the future, if I have any questions about mating behaviour, I'll know where to go.
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