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Old June 22 2010, 01:55 PM   #76
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How about completely throwing out the Supergirl origin and make her the daughter of Superman? (who is now off in a distant part of the universe for some reason) This could also add some more dramatic tension by dialing her powers down a bit, being half-human.
If any thought is meant to be directed toward getting the fans of the comics to see the movie, this is a bad idea.
But there have been multiple different Supergirls in the comics with multiple different origins. So it's not like comics fandom as a whole is universally loyal to a single origin and would reject any alternative.

And the movie Kryptonians have dialed down powers to begin with.
On the contrary, past Superman movies have tacked on whatever random or godlike Kryptonian powers they felt like, from planetary rewind powers to hand-fired energy beams to amnesia kisses to rebuild-the-Great-Wall-of-China vision.

In S:TAS, Supergirl was less powerful than Superman, largely because she was younger and smaller, but perhaps partly because she was from an offshoot species from Argo rather than Krypton (since DC was adamant at that point about Superman being the only survivor). So there's precedent for a portrayal where she's less powerful than Superman.


While I agree with the athleticism, regardless of the appearance of the secret identity, Supergirl, to appeal to the aforementioned comics fans, and to refer to past characterizations, still must be blonde. And have long hair.
I think what Hyperspace05 meant is that the actress doesn't have to have long blonde hair already. Hair can grow out, be dyed, or be covered by a wig.

Although if the character's going to be blonde, I'd rather the actress be blonde. I find most women look better with their natural hair color. (Though I'll grant that ScarJo makes a spectacular redhead.)


There's nothing wrong with the costume. It doesn't need to be armored or anything, she's Supergirl! And besides, if they go with the bare midriff, the screaming movie fans will die in ecstasy.
Still, they should probably avoid the micro-miniskirt of some comics representations. She's a teenage girl who flies. To avoid being prurient, they should probably put her in shorts instead. Or culottes, to preserve the skirtlike appearance.


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@ Greg Cox: I enjoyed reading your thoughts, and while I could quibble with one or two things you wrote, won't... except to ask if (provided you thought it was a good idea in the first place) you'd like to see a ScarJo Supergirl now that she's Black Widow. I would've loved to before that casting, but would now vote against it.
Can't speak for Greg, but personally I have no objection to one actor/actress playing multiple comics characters. It happens all the time in animation. Tara Strong has been Batgirl, Raven, Huntress, Billy Batson, the Invisible Woman, the Scarlet Witch, X-23, Marrow, and the Stepford Cuckoos. Jennifer Hale has been Black Cat, Mary Jane Watson, Jean Grey, Zatanna, Giganta, Killer Frost, Inza, and Emerald Empress. Phil LaMarr has been Static, Green Lantern, Steel, S.T.R.I.P.E., Gambit, Bolivar Trask, Randy and Robbie Robertson, and Fancy Dan. John Di Maggio has been Sandman, Hammerhead, Brother Blood, Aquaman, Gorilla Grodd, Ubu, and Black Adam and will be heard as the Joker in the next DC Universe DVD movie. And there are plenty of others. If someone's good at playing comic-book characters, why not reuse them?

As for Ms. Johanssen herself, she's a stunning beauty, but she has yet to impress me much as an actress. I'm not convinced she could pull off a leading role.


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No, because we wanted the Harry Potter movies to be faithful to the books. But of those who've commented so far, you and the others pushing for a comics-accurate teen girl at the expense of a bodacious babe are in the considerable minority.
I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive. And I don't think the majority of men would believe they are. There are plenty of people on this BBS who frequently express admiration for young actresses (in a look-but-don't-touch kind of way, of course). And there are certainly a number of 18-to-22ish actresses who could credibly pass for a mature 16 or 17.

Besides, how shallow would one have to be to think this film should be cast only on the basis of "bodacious"-ness? We're not talking about a porn film here. While casting for attractiveness is naturally a given in just about any film, surely talent, charisma, and suitability for the character should be the priorities.

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Maybe the actress who plays her could be built up a little, but who would really notice or care?
The vast majority of the movie audience that's never seen a Supergirl comic and doesn't give a rat's ass that she's most often portrayed as a teen, that's who.
Supergirl hasn't only been portrayed in comics. In fact, there are probably far more people out there who know the character from S:TAS/JLU and Smallville than from the comics, since far more people watch television than read comic books. And she was definitely portrayed as a teen in the former, at least.

Besides, even without prior familiarity, I think most audiences would be puzzled if a character named Supergirl were played by a 26-year-old woman.
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Old June 22 2010, 02:23 PM   #77
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@ Greg Cox: I enjoyed reading your thoughts, and while I could quibble with one or two things you wrote, won't... except to ask if (provided you thought it was a good idea in the first place) you'd like to see a ScarJo Supergirl now that she's Black Widow. I would've loved to before that casting, but would now vote against it.

I'm not a big ScarJo fan, and she wouldn't be my first choice for Supergirl, but not because she's played the Black Widow. If DC wants her to play another superhero or super-villainess in some future film, her IRON MAN credit should not disqualify her. (Heck, if Downey can play IRON MAN and SHERLOCK HOLMES and now the Wizard of Oz, why can't ScarJo play the Black Widow and, say, Poison Ivy?)

Regarding Supergirl, I think the Taylor Swift suggestion is brilliant. She looks the part, she's likable, and she would probably sell tickets . . . .

Just cast Kanye West as Lex Luthor, out to steal her glory!
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Old June 22 2010, 04:16 PM   #78
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I have no idea who this "Taylor Swift" is, but judging from this picture she looks like a bucktoothed inbred hillbilly.
Supergirl should have a natural, innocent beauty. At the time, Helen Slater was an inspired choice.
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Old June 22 2010, 04:29 PM   #79
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Oy. How soon they forget.
Yes, we get it. Helen Slater was a very attractive Supergirl (although, what is going on with that wall of hair above her forehead?). However, that movie was terrible. Oh, it had its moments, but it was bad then, and it is bad now.

Unless, of course, you are suggesting that Helen Slater should reprise her role of Supergirl in a potential future movie, but that would just be plain silly.
I'm saying there's nothing more to do with Supergirl. The movie's been done. They're sure as hell not going to find a better cast. They won't have better effects. The script was awful, sure, but are they really going to find a pulitzer prize winner to write the next one?
Supergirl has been done. Let's move along.
The first movie was shit. Why can't they try to make a good one?

Besides, your logic makes no sense. Why do any new superhero movies ever? They made a Superman serial. No need to ever do anything with the character ever again. Time to move on!

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Besides, even without prior familiarity, I think most audiences would be puzzled if a character named Supergirl were played by a 26-year-old woman.
Well, only if she is playing a 26 year old Supergirl. While I doubt audiences will be puzzled (for better or worse, the word "girl" is a very broad term), the actor could be 26, but be playing someone who is in her teens. That seems to happen all the time in Hollywood.

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At the time, Helen Slater was an inspired choice.
At the time, Helen Slater was random pretty blond actress #155468 who has since disappeared into obscurity.
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Old June 22 2010, 04:57 PM   #80
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Besides, even without prior familiarity, I think most audiences would be puzzled if a character named Supergirl were played by a 26-year-old woman.
Well, only if she is playing a 26 year old Supergirl. While I doubt audiences will be puzzled (for better or worse, the word "girl" is a very broad term), the actor could be 26, but be playing someone who is in her teens. That seems to happen all the time in Hollywood.
But that doesn't seem to be what Gaith was advocating. He seems averse to the idea of Supergirl being played by someone who even looks like a teenager, instead pushing for a more mature-looking woman. I'm saying that regardless of the actress's actual age, the youthful look that Gaith is decrying as undesirable is instead the optimal look for this particular character.


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At the time, Helen Slater was random pretty blond actress #155468 who has since disappeared into obscurity.
Whether she was famous at the time or subsequently has nothing to do with whether she was an inspired choice for the character. After all, Christopher Reeve was all but unknown when he was cast as Superman.

I think Helen Slater was very well-cast in the part, quite lovely and likeable, and whatever can be said about her career in hindsight, I seem to recall that there was a great deal of hype around her for a time as a result of Supergirl.

Although I certainly don't agree that the existence of one Supergirl movie should prohibit the existence of others. We need more female-centered superhero films. And Supergirl deserves a film wherein she gets to save the world rather than just fight over a man.
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Old June 22 2010, 05:24 PM   #81
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I have no idea who this "Taylor Swift" is, but judging from this picture she looks like a bucktoothed inbred hillbilly.
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Just because she's a country singer? Let's not indulge in ugly stereotypes.
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I have no idea who this "Taylor Swift" is, but judging from this picture she looks like a bucktoothed inbred hillbilly.
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Just because she's a country singer? Let's not indulge in ugly stereotypes.
Actually, I had no idea she was a country singer. That's pretty funny.
Maybe it's just a bad picture, but she sure looks bucktoothed and inbred to me. Look at that brow!
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Besides, your logic makes no sense. Why do any new superhero movies ever? They made a Superman serial. No need to ever do anything with the character ever again. Time to move on!
Pretty much right. The Reeves movies, especially 1 and 2, got it right. Unless they have something new to do with the character (just as the Reeve version did new things the Reeves and Alyn versions couldn't), there's no reason to make something new, as Superman Returns proved.

Hell, they're about to "reboot" Spiderman -- why??


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At the time, Helen Slater was an inspired choice.
At the time, Helen Slater was random pretty blond actress #155468 who has since disappeared into obscurity.
She, like Christopher Reeve, was an unknown, who was picked from among thousands of actors. They made a good choice. She had a natural, innocent beauty about her. Thank God they didn't pick some California bimbo as they'd likely do now.
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I agree. Slater not only was attractive, and not only did she look the part, but she had a lot of other qualities that really helped, aside from the problems with the film.

I agree with Ebert here:

That's a shame, because there's a place, I think, for a female superhero, and Helen Slater, who plays Supergirl, has the kind of freshness, good health, high spirits, and pluck that would be just right for the character. As it is, Slater is the best thing in the film. She shares with Christopher Reeve the ability to wear a funny costume and not look ridiculous. We look at her and we see Supergirl.
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Still, they should probably avoid the micro-miniskirt of some comics representations. She's a teenage girl who flies. To avoid being prurient, they should probably put her in shorts instead. Or culottes, to preserve the skirtlike appearance.
There is certainly many different Supergirl costumes to choose from, like this HUGE picture at Devianart shows:
http://mhunt.deviantart.com/art/Supe...PDATE-97946422

I did not honestly know, that there was so many different costumes over the years
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Any director is going to get complaints about the costume regardless of how much skin is showing. I don't think there's an easy answer to that one.
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At the time, Helen Slater was an inspired choice.
At the time, Helen Slater was random pretty blond actress #155468 who has since disappeared into obscurity.
Whether she was famous at the time or subsequently has nothing to do with whether she was an inspired choice for the character. After all, Christopher Reeve was all but unknown when he was cast as Superman.
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She, like Christopher Reeve, was an unknown, who was picked from among thousands of actors. They made a good choice. She had a natural, innocent beauty about her. Thank God they didn't pick some California bimbo as they'd likely do now.
Whether or not she was famous wasn't what I was getting at at all.

I am all for picking unknowns for iconic-type roles. My point was Helen Slater, while pretty, was no more different than any of the hundreds of other pretty young blonds trying to make it in movies.

Also, unlike Christopher Reeve, nothing about her performance was all the great. She just kind of went through the motions and never really "became" that character on screen nor made the character her own. Now, it could have been a script issue, but Slater never did much to try to overcome it, imo.

While she did an adequate job in the role, I definitely wouldn't call her casting inspired.

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Besides, your logic makes no sense. Why do any new superhero movies ever? They made a Superman serial. No need to ever do anything with the character ever again. Time to move on!
Pretty much right. The Reeves movies, especially 1 and 2, got it right. Unless they have something new to do with the character (just as the Reeve version did new things the Reeves and Alyn versions couldn't), there's no reason to make something new, as Superman Returns proved.
But Superman Returns did do something new with the character. Whether you liked it or not is another matter entirely.

And who says they won't try to do something new with a Supergirl movie? It is not like the 80s movie did a whole hell of a lot.

Although I certainly don't agree that the existence of one Supergirl movie should prohibit the existence of others. We need more female-centered superhero films. And Supergirl deserves a film wherein she gets to save the world rather than just fight over a man.
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Actually, I had no idea she was a country singer. That's pretty funny.
Maybe it's just a bad picture, but she sure looks bucktoothed and inbred to me. Look at that brow!
Is it hard being that classy or does it just come natural to you?
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Still, they should probably avoid the micro-miniskirt of some comics representations. She's a teenage girl who flies. To avoid being prurient, they should probably put her in shorts instead. Or culottes, to preserve the skirtlike appearance.
There is certainly many different Supergirl costumes to choose from, like this HUGE picture at Devianart shows:
http://mhunt.deviantart.com/art/Supe...PDATE-97946422

I did not honestly know, that there was so many different costumes over the years
Some are from a time in the early 70s when the readers would submit costume designs. Others look like variations caused by artists drawing it "wrong" and one offs.

I'm a fan of the puffy sleeves, hot pants/short shorts and choker look.
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Well, can anybody name a strong Supergirl storyline that doesn't involve other major superheroes? That's problem number one, imo.
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