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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old June 10 2010, 07:09 AM   #1
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TFF as third season TOS

Outside of the link to one Shatner song recently, I've never started a thread about TFF before, so I figure I'm 11 years overdue.

Some have said TFF is the most episodic of the TOS movies, others have said it plays like a third season episode.

A lot of TFF would have to be modified if it were a TOS episode. In TOS we never saw Earth, so Mount Yosemite is of the picture. With the third season's budget, we wouldn't see Kirk climbing a mountain on some other planet either.

Likely there would be no shore leave, no campfire, and no one getting lost. So most of the intro is left gone.

Except for "Devil in the Dark", and possibly "Tomorrow Is Yesterday", there was never a TOS episode that didn't begin with the Enterprise and its crew.

All of the early part of the movie is gone then. An episodic version of TFF would begin with the Enterprise already on its way to Nimbus III.

Kirk would make his long entry, then Uhura would receive the message from Sybok. Kirk would still observe that Spock acts like he's seen a ghost, Spock would reply "Perhaps I have, Captain.", then the opening credits would roll in.

After the credits, Spock would still explain that Sybok was a revolutionary and that he was banished from Vulcan but Sybok wouldn't be Spock's brother. Sybok would be someone who would've tried to recruit Spock in his youth, probably at a time when Spock was still being tormented by other Vulcans, and Spock would've rejected his offer. Maybe there was a bond between Spock and Sybok because Sybok rejected traditional Vulcan values and traditional Vulcans rejected Spock, but that would be as far as it would go from Spock's point of view. Sybok would obviously have a different viewpoint and continue to try persuading Spock in TFF.

I can't see the Enterprise crew willingly following Sybok, so he would developed mental control that allows him to manipulate the crew through telepathy. Spock can resist Sybok, Kirk is strong-willed enough, but McCoy is almost swayed when he says "Jim, try to be open about this. This make took away my pain", which would lead into Kirk giving his speech about how he needs his pain.

Sha'ka'Ree would be nothing but a ball of light, voiced by James Doohan.

Klaa would figure less prominently into the plot. He'd be about as important as the Klingon, whoever he was, from "Elaan of Troyious".

I can't see Spock openly disobeying Kirk's order to shoot Sybok if he's not Spock's half-brother, so Sybok would gain the upper-hand in a fight against Kirk -- which he should if Vulcans are so much stronger than humans -- and would retain his gun. Sybok would then ask Spock if he would accompany him to the bridge. Spock would say "no" and then Sybok would express disappointment.

Nimbus III would probably be the result of the Organian Peace Treaty. The Federation and the Klingon Empire's half-hearted attempt to make peace work. The Romulans, now being allies with the Klingons, would have an interest in this colony which would justify Kaitlin Dar just arriving as the new Romulan Representative. The colony would be about a year old and would have deteriorated almost immediately. Like Talbot said, "A new age died a quick death."

This being third season TOS, no shuttle would be taken down to Sha'Ka'Ree's planet, they would beam down, then the transporter would be taken out by the Klingons after Spock and McCoy are beamed up. The transporter would be repaired at the last minute, then Kirk would be rescued before he's blasted by the Klingons or destroyed by Sha'Ka'Ree. At the last minute Korrd would pull rank on Klaa, like he did in the real TFF, Klaa would apologize to Kirk over the screen, then his ship would go its own separate way.

Kirk, Spock, and McCoy would have a discussion about what just happened then the Enterprise would set course back to Nimbus III to drop off the representatives. Roll credits.

So TFF as a TOS episode is doable, but it would have to be heavily modified.
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Old June 10 2010, 09:03 PM   #2
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Re: TFF as third season TOS

It certialnly can be counted as a lost episode of TOS. The basic plot was that an alien with powers takes over the Enterprise and its crew. He somehow makes the ship go really fast and takes it to the center of the galaxy. There they find a false god that Kirk eats for breakfast. Most of these points can be found in TOS episodes. Basically this film is the character development for the TOS cast. It is a fun watch and isn't a canon shredder. Cobra
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Old June 10 2010, 11:08 PM   #3
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Re: TFF as third season TOS

Garth, I'd be hard-pressed to disagree with your analysis. You too, Cobra.

Hell, TFF would have benefited from some more effect reuses compared to what we got!
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Old June 11 2010, 05:05 AM   #4
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Re: TFF as third season TOS

A few weeks ago I noted that this film shares a lot in common with "The Way to Eden." I can certainly see it as a third season episode.

I don't see why they couldn't take the shuttle down in the end, though. They did it in the aforementioned "The Way to Eden." Otherwise, your analysis isn't bad (and, also, quite amusing).
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Old June 11 2010, 10:05 AM   #5
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I guess so. They could grab stock footage of the shuttle departing and then show the shuttle craft on the planet's surface. Interference could prevent Scotty from using the transporter, until he figures out a way through the interference but can only bring up Spock and McCoy first.
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As I recall, the shuttle departure was always stock footage, save for the original use in "The Galileo Seven," of course. It's one of the things I'm glad they've changed in the Remastered versions, but YMMV, of course.
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Old June 19 2010, 04:19 AM   #7
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The only thing that is missing is, at the end of the episode, the bridge crew laughing at the expense of anyone who died.
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Old June 21 2010, 02:45 AM   #8
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Broccoli wrote: View Post
The only thing that is missing is, at the end of the episode, the bridge crew laughing at the expense of anyone who died.


...or striking up a deal with the killers and offering them a free lift home...
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