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Old June 2 2010, 08:27 PM   #16
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Re: Superman 2 Donner Cut: Something I Just Noticed

I agree the cut is a mess but what can you do about it?

From the poorly dubbed battle in "Metropolis"

"I'm not a coward Zod"

To using screen test footage
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Old June 2 2010, 09:09 PM   #17
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Re: Superman 2 Donner Cut: Something I Just Noticed

I'm not sure I've ever sat down and watched it. What exactly are the differences between the Donner & Lester versions?
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Old June 2 2010, 09:24 PM   #18
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Re: Superman 2 Donner Cut: Something I Just Noticed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superma...l_Donner_shoot
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Old June 6 2010, 01:25 AM   #19
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Re: Superman 2 Donner Cut: Something I Just Noticed

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Yes, the end of Donner cut is a mess. This is because Donner never filmed an ending, and refused to use Richard Lester's.
Still, we know that Donner's originally intended ending for Superman II was going to be Superman turning back time (while Superman: The Movie was going to end with something different). And we know that Donner shot the diner stuff. So where was the diner stuff originally going to go?

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Mind you, while I find it an interesting curiosity, I still find the Donner/Lester hybrid version of Superman II to be the far superior film, and not just because, logistically, the original release was the finished movie whereas the Donner cut is cobbled together. I mean, people complain about Lester adding the Metropolis street gags. But who added a toilet joke to the Fortress of Solitude that even Lester deleted?
The Donner Cut also added "Slasher Fogelstein is a bedwetter."

Plus, only the Lester Cut has the best fucking line in the whole film, "General, would you care to step outside?"

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As others say, a perfect balance lies between the two. And which unrelated, is also my opinion on the Donnie Darko Directors Cut
That is also my thinking about the Theatrical & Director's Cuts of Daredevil.
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Old June 6 2010, 03:11 AM   #20
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Re: Superman 2 Donner Cut: Something I Just Noticed

I suppose I'm setting myself up for a link here, but what are the significant changes to Daredevil? I saw the theatrical version, once, back when it came out.
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Old June 6 2010, 06:35 AM   #21
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Despite its flaws, the Lester version is far superior, imo.
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Old June 6 2010, 07:08 AM   #22
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Yes, the end of Donner cut is a mess. This is because Donner never filmed an ending, and refused to use Richard Lester's.

As it stands, I think the Donner cut is vastly superior, but I think Donner should've used the Lester ending. I always miss the scene at the white house.
I prefer using neither ending. Just use the Donner cut, but end the movie when Superman leaves Lois on her balcony and flies off. (Or if you prefer, cut directly from there to Superman visiting the White House and then flying off into space.)

There's no reason for them to do a reset that has Lois forgetting Superman's identity. Any such reset is a dramatic cheat IMHO. Yes, leaving her memory intact screws up the continuity on the following movies, but the following movies are stupid anyway.
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Old June 6 2010, 06:03 PM   #23
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I hate the Donner cut.
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Old June 6 2010, 06:28 PM   #24
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I prefer the Donner cut, with the realization that it is not and, at this point, cannot be finished.
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Old June 7 2010, 07:35 AM   #25
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I prefer the tone of the Donner cut, which I suppose leads me to prefer that version in general, but I'm terribly mixed on the whole thing. I love the scenes with Brando, but it's certainly a film with problems. There are a lot of awkward audio issues (poor dialogue dubbing and reusing the same handful of cues from John Williams' score for the first movie over and over and over again) that are really distracting, too.
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Old June 7 2010, 07:56 AM   #26
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My favorite momentis Lois shooting Clark, much better than the fire scene.
Agreed, but ruined by the Clark hair continuity issue.
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