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Old June 20 2013, 11:11 PM   #2701
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Re: Marvel Now/ReEvolution Ongoing Discussion (Spoilers)

But Wolverine would never admit that he was wrong. And besides, AFAIC, everything that Cyke (and the rest of the P5) did while under the influence of the Phoenix was done in a state of diminished capacity and not entirely their own fault.

Cap can forgive Bucky for the things he did as Winter Soldier without even blinking. Wanda gets a hug and a "welcome back". And for the longest time, Cap turned a blind eye to Wolverine's bloodshed before his sudden realization in UA 9. And face it, Kid Apocalypse was far, far, far from the only blood on Wolverine's hands between the time he joined the Avengers and now.

Given that Cyke never sought the Phoenix for himself, and only received it due to the interference of the Avengers, the Avengers REALLY need to accept their own fair share of the blame for anything the P5 did before expecting it from anyone else.

And given that the Avengers only "saved" the day by using what was Cyclops' plan in the first place (i.e. let Hope take on the Phoenix and restore mutantkind), lets face it...



And I call total, total, total bullshit on the whole K'un L'un angle. If there was such a profound connection between K'un L'un and the Phoenix, why weren't any alarms going off there when Jean Grey was living with Danny Rand's girlfriend? Bullshit.

Not to mention that the whole thing was kicked off by the US Government, in the form of the Avengers, knocking on Cyclops' door looking for a fight and demanding that Cyke turn over a member of his own family into custody despite the fact that she had done nothing to warrant it. And they do it on the word of a man who holds a very public grudge against him and an equal blind spot where the Phoenix is concerned. YOU would be pissed as well.

Anyway, end rant. The truth is that the entirety of AvX was a clusterfuck of bad characterization and the story moving the characters, rather than the other way around. Moving on...
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Old June 21 2013, 01:00 AM   #2702
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Re: Marvel Now/ReEvolution Ongoing Discussion (Spoilers)

Now that we know what "Hunger" is about I'm a little more interested

http://www.newsarama.com/18158-galac...ew-series.html
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Old June 21 2013, 01:06 AM   #2703
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i've only read a handful of Ultimate comics, so Galactus can eat that entire universe for all i care.
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Old June 21 2013, 01:15 AM   #2704
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Yeah I think that is what Marvel was counting on when they were hyping the end of "Age of Ultron" that people actually were reading the Ultimate Universe at all in the first place!
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Old June 21 2013, 01:38 AM   #2705
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I stopped caring about the Ultiverse once Peter Parker and Mark Millar left it Even before that it was just a cute little side show and didn't "count" the way 616 does. Emotionally.
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Old June 21 2013, 01:51 AM   #2706
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At one point, I was actually looking into picking up a few Ultimate titles. Then "Ultimatum" happened...
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Old June 21 2013, 02:12 AM   #2707
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Ultimate Comics Spider-Man is brilliant. Miles Morales is one of the best characters in comics right now, and this continues to be Brian Michael Bendis' best Marvel work IMO. If you're at all pissed off with Superior Spider-Man, I would highly recommend reading this
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Old June 21 2013, 02:22 AM   #2708
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I'm really enjoying Superior Spider-Man. Obviously this is only going to last 1-2 years and Peter Parker will be back to normal by then, probably right when the next movie comes out. In the meantime, it's a great story that upsets the status quo.

I think I read the first 12 issues of Miles Morales but I just didn't care, and it was a particularly bad example of Bendis Decompression.
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Old June 21 2013, 02:28 AM   #2709
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Oh the real Peter Parker will return, but which muliversal Earth will he be from????
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Old June 21 2013, 03:58 AM   #2710
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Oh the real Peter Parker will return, but which muliversal Earth will he be from????
The pre crisis one.
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Old June 21 2013, 04:35 AM   #2711
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But Wolverine would never admit that he was wrong. And besides, AFAIC, everything that Cyke (and the rest of the P5) did while under the influence of the Phoenix was done in a state of diminished capacity and not entirely their own fault.

Cap can forgive Bucky for the things he did as Winter Soldier without even blinking. Wanda gets a hug and a "welcome back". And for the longest time, Cap turned a blind eye to Wolverine's bloodshed before his sudden realization in UA 9. And face it, Kid Apocalypse was far, far, far from the only blood on Wolverine's hands between the time he joined the Avengers and now.

Given that Cyke never sought the Phoenix for himself, and only received it due to the interference of the Avengers, the Avengers REALLY need to accept their own fair share of the blame for anything the P5 did before expecting it from anyone else.

And given that the Avengers only "saved" the day by using what was Cyclops' plan in the first place (i.e. let Hope take on the Phoenix and restore mutantkind), lets face it...



And I call total, total, total bullshit on the whole K'un L'un angle. If there was such a profound connection between K'un L'un and the Phoenix, why weren't any alarms going off there when Jean Grey was living with Danny Rand's girlfriend? Bullshit.

Not to mention that the whole thing was kicked off by the US Government, in the form of the Avengers, knocking on Cyclops' door looking for a fight and demanding that Cyke turn over a member of his own family into custody despite the fact that she had done nothing to warrant it. And they do it on the word of a man who holds a very public grudge against him and an equal blind spot where the Phoenix is concerned. YOU would be pissed as well.

Anyway, end rant. The truth is that the entirety of AvX was a clusterfuck of bad characterization and the story moving the characters, rather than the other way around. Moving on...
And how does Old Cyclops follow this event you may ask.

Why by after taking a dump on Xavier's grave trying to bring about the Days of Future Past where mutants are systematically slaughtered and the country is ruled by the Sentinels the US government will probably turn lose to put down his little mutant revolution thing seeing as they tend to not like people trying to pull a Magneto.
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Old June 21 2013, 05:10 AM   #2712
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^You sound like Beast with his "WTF?" rationalization that he gave to the O5 when bring them to the present. As for Cyke "pulling a Magneto", people keep saying this, but there is little substance to it. Magneto was attacking military bases and taking over countries and sinking nuclear subs with no concern for loss of human life in an attempt to rule the world himself in the name of mutantkind. Cyke hasn't come close to that level of crazy post AvX. And as O5 Angel observed, even Magneto himself is a lot less crazy now than he was in the old days.
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Old June 21 2013, 05:13 AM   #2713
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Days of Future Past? Had Mastermold replaced the US Government?
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Old June 21 2013, 05:41 AM   #2714
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Next week's previews...
Big week for me-- Age of Ultron 10AU (I'm a fan of both Pym and Waid), All-New X-Men 13, Daredevil 27, FF 8, Guardians of the Galaxy 4, Hawkeye 11, Uncanny X-Men 7 and Young Avengers 6.
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Old June 21 2013, 04:07 PM   #2715
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JiM w/Sif #653, two issues to go till cancellation
GotG #4

I'll be in San Antonio till Thursday though. Hope to track down the Drafthouse while I'm there if I can pull away from the work con for a bit.
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