Charting the Novel-verse

[Turtletrekker]

Turtletrekker wrote:

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"Almost... But Not Quite" by Dayton Ward, in Strange New Worlds II.

When I saw these annotations, I put them in because I was sure that I remembered something specific about this story, which I assumed to be a novel-reference. Turned out, it wasn't a novel reference at all, but rather a reference to the classic old Bloom County comic strip!

Now there's another can of worms. Opus has appeared in the Pearls Before Swine strip, which has been known to break the lines betweeen strips (literally) and go wandering the comics page. And of course Bloom County's Opus, Portnoy and Hodgepodge appeared in one of Peter David's early Trek comics in the form of hallucinations seen by Kirk.

[Dayton Ward]

Opus and Bill are canon. Everything else is apocryphal.

[King Daniel Into Darkness]

Alhough it shouldn't count, didn't Jean Lorrah's Andorians/Theskians from some TOS novel and TNG Metamorphosis reference old Andorian fanfics?

[Therin of Andor]

KingDaniel wrote:

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Alhough it shouldn't count, didn't Jean Lorrah's Andorians/Theskians from... TNG Metamorphosis reference old Andorian fanfics?

Jean Lorrah was seemingly paying homage to some Andorian speculations from the old zine article, A Summary of the Physiological Roots of Andorian Culture (1976) by her old fanfic colleague, Leslie Fish (eg. references to Thralen's "the Great Mother" deity).

http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/2009/...-roots-of.html

[ToddCam]

Hey Turtletrekker, nice job! I did something a few years ago that I haven't updated in a long time. Guess I don't need to anymore.

Sorry to be the grammar police, but "its" is the possessive form of "it." "It's" is a contraction for "it is." You kept making the mistake.

I noticed you left out the Enterprise Logs anthology in your Misc. section. It had several stories, each focusing on an Enterprise captain. When I did my research back in the day I concluded the following had connections:

"Though Hell Should Bar the Way" by Greg Cox. A story of Captain April's Enterprise. The ship's crew was consistent with that of Diane Carey's TOS novel Best Destiny.

"Conflicting Natures" by Jerry Oltion. A story of Captain Pike. It is consistent with Where Sea Meets Sky of the Captain's Table series.

"Night Whispers" by Diane Duane. A Will Decker story of the refit. It makes Rihannsu references.

"Shakedown" by Peter David. Harriman story. It directly references The Captain's Daughter.

"The Captain and the King" by John Vornholt is a Picard story told in the Captain's Table. However, it is inconsistent with the depiction of Andor in the DS9-PF novels.

Also, Uhura being in charge of SI was established in Vulcan's Heart first.

[Turtletrekker]

I read Captain's Logs years ago, spotted the April, Captain Daughter and Captain's Table references, and then completely forgot about it!

Thanks, ToddCam.

[Christopher]

"Night Whispers" is referenced in Ex Machina.

[William Leisner]

William Leisner wrote:

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I also plan to re-post my lost annotations for Out of the Cocoon in time for the tpb release.

And as promised:

http://wleisner.wordpress.com/about/...of-the-cocoon/

Now with all-new page numbers, and a special bonus retcon!

(Oh, and needless to say, it "spoils" not only my book, but several others.)

[Deranged Nasat]

^ Thanks!

[SicOne]

Folks, a few quick questions. Any links, etc., would also be appreciated to take me to the proper areas.

(1) Are the upcoming Typhon Pact books (and are there just four of them?) being released in chronological order, or do they pretty much occur simultaneously post-"Losing The Peace", seeing as they appear (or appear to me from what little I know of them, that is) to each represent a different facet of Trek (i.e. TNG, DS9, et al)?

(2) Is there supposed to be a third Myriad Universes book due out this year? And when? Yes, I realize that is actually two questions...

(3) I do have the excellent "Voyages Of Imagination" book (thick enough to stop a photon torpedo), but would one of you esteemed gentlemen care to provide a link to something that picks up where VoI left off, for those of us who enjoy reading newer Trek fiction but would like to do so in chronological order?

(4) Back to Myriad Universes, I know sales figures aren't really a matter of public knowledge and I don't wanna open THAT particular can of worms, but overall how did the MyriadU books do in comparison to general TrekLit? David Mack managed to publish his MirrorU novella as a full-length novel; are we looking at more o' the same with some of the richness of what I've read in the Myriad Universe books?

(5) Are what I've heard described the upcoming Aventine books the same as the Typhon Pact miniseries? Or am I mistaking one for the other?

Before you collectively gnash your teeth at me for not taking the time to fully read the entirety of this thread, which probably contains most if not all of the answers to the questions I've posed above, I barely had time to merely skim TrekLit this morning for the first time in a few months while getting ready for work. Someone has to work to buy your books to give you your royalties!

You're welcome.

[Christopher]

SicOne wrote:

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(1) Are the upcoming Typhon Pact books (and are there just four of them?) being released in chronological order, or do they pretty much occur simultaneously post-"Losing The Peace", seeing as they appear (or appear to me from what little I know of them, that is) to each represent a different facet of Trek (i.e. TNG, DS9, et al)?

I gather that they are in roughly chronological order and are not simultaneous, spanning several months overall.

(2) Is there supposed to be a third Myriad Universes book due out this year? And when? Yes, I realize that is actually two questions...

Myriad Universes: Shattered Light is scheduled for December, according to Memory Alpha.

(5) Are what I've heard described the upcoming Aventine books the same as the Typhon Pact miniseries? Or am I mistaking one for the other?

There is only one scheduled book focusing on the Aventine (though not exclusively), and it is part of the Typhon Pact series. Rumors of a series of Aventine books are greatly exaggerated.

[captcalhoun]

SicOne wrote:

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(3) I do have the excellent "Voyages Of Imagination" book (thick enough to stop a photon torpedo), but would one of you esteemed gentlemen care to provide a link to something that picks up where VoI left off, for those of us who enjoy reading newer Trek fiction but would like to do so in chronological order?

Memory Beta: www.startrek.wikia.com is your friend

(4) Back to Myriad Universes, I know sales figures aren't really a matter of public knowledge and I don't wanna open THAT particular can of worms, but overall how did the MyriadU books do in comparison to general TrekLit? David Mack managed to publish his MirrorU novella as a full-length novel; are we looking at more o' the same with some of the richness of what I've read in the Myriad Universe books?

however well they sold, it was well enough for a third to be commissioned. so, pretty well.

[SicOne]

Christopher and CaptCalhoun, thanks for the info. I had totally forgotten about Memory Beta.

But would someone like to go into more detail on question #5? Or is that a topic you published authors are able to discuss?

[Turtletrekker]

Christopher really said all that is needed to be said-- there is only one Aventine book planned, and it's part of the Star Trek: Typhon Pact mini. There is no Aventine series. The other three Typhon Pact books focus on the Enterprise, DS9, and the Titan respectively.

The Aventine originally appeared, of course, in Destiny and A Singular Destiny.

[SicOne]

Whoops, sorry; thanks, Turtletrekker. I meant question #4, regarding how well Myriad Universe did vis-a-vis other TrekLit.