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Old July 28 2014, 03:16 PM   #1
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The Great Chronological Run-Through

So, I've decided to begin my long-planned chronological run-through of the Star Trek universe; that is, the Star Trek universe as I engage with it, which means the modern literary continuity along with the canonical stuff (hence why I'm posting here, not in General Trek). I'd like to evaluate it all as one extended narrative, exploring this fictional setting as it tells the story of an growing galactic community, as handled by a wealth of writers in two different media. That's not usually how it works, of course, nor how it would be experienced by anyone in reality, but to me personally the modern novels are just as important to my sense of what Star Trek is as the TV shows - I was introduced to both at more or less the same time (around 2001-2002), and have always experienced them together. Add to that my love of continuity and consistency, and I think it's worth following the story of Humans-in-space across the centuries.

So I'll be reading and commenting on novels, short stories and other novel 'verse outings, as well as the TV shows and films, with a particular eye to how they enhance each other or how my take on the latter might be altered by viewing them through the prism of their relationship with the novels. I'll also be working through it all in terms of internal chronology, and that means not everything will be read in the same way I read it originally (nor indeed how it was intended to be read). Basically, I'll sometimes be reading/commenting on parts of books rather than the whole thing, depending on what I think works in each case. Some things on my list I'll watch or read twice, at different points. Yes, it's gimmicky, but hopefully it will also mean a new angle on some of the material.

I have no idea how far I'll get, but this will be ongoing.

I was going to start with First Contact, the big opening event (the first viewing; there'll be another in time, assuming I ever get there). But I think first I need to go back a few years and read a little prologue of sorts.
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Old July 28 2014, 03:19 PM   #2
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The Sundered: Part Two: Castaways

So, here's the first experiment in reading things not as they were intended to be read. It’s part two of a novel, taken in isolation. A slim 30 pages offers the first part of The Sundered's unfolding backstory, intended to slowly reveal the origins of that novel's guest culture, which here serves as our introduction to the Trek universe instead. It's an informative and reasonably engaging look at a familiar Earth as it stabs for space and boils over, making great strides while teetering on the edge of total instability. Essentially, a planet in its angry teenage years, in which it rides impressively down public railings on its skateboard before falling off and smashing its face in on the concrete.

The population (ten billion) depends on the scientific output of the orbital facilities, which becomes a blessing when they're the only advanced settlements left completely unscathed by a large-scale exchange of nuclear weapons. In short, we open our story with World War III, here viewed from above and without much in the way of specific explanation, so it comes across, no doubt intentionally, as "one day everyone started lobbing bombs at each other". They all just finally had enough.

Actually, I'm glad the politics of the surface isn't given too much attention - much as I love the Eugenics Wars books and their rather clever efforts at using actual history as a frame for the fictional canon (we'll get to those events when I reach the 2260s, because the past is far too intertwined with the future in that case), I think Trek should distance itself from actual politics and near-future speculation wherever possible. It can't help but be tainted by one's own perspectives and it probably won't stand the test of time very well. Indeed, does it really matter?

Besides the Third World War, we also get our introduction to Project Phoenix. Odd that it's being called that already. I always assumed that it was named Phoenix because it was taking flight from the ashes - that is, launching in the aftermath of the nuclear war. But apparently it was named prior to the war. Hmmm. We also see that, logically, Project Phoenix has support from some influential backers.

Anyway, the plot here is that scientists assisting Dr. Cochrane in his warp field tests end up accidentally shooting their habitat - an asteroid facility named Vanguard (no relation to the space station, though the end product of both will wind up seriously ticking off the Tholians) into interstellar space. They wind up 200 light-years from Earth, stranded. The sense of progress and advancement warring with disaster and setback continues, then, by having the Vanguard people confirm the viability of subspace as a medium for effective travel, only to be stranded out of range of the people back home who need the knowledge.

It's amusing that in this run-through the first aliens we encounter are in fact the Nausicaans. They'll not become important players by any means, but we'll be seeing more of them. Also noteworthy is that the first aliens we meet are brutal and hostile, as well as incomprehensible, and the Humans are woefully unprepared for them. The characters trade a lot of theories about alien life and the laws that might govern it, in a way that makes it obvious just how hypothetical the whole matter is to them. One, the director, insists that spacefaring aliens will invariably be peaceful because less "enlightened" species couldn't harness the technologies required without being destroyed by them. Everyone has their favoured theory and somewhat dogmatic speculation. The Nausicaans aren't impressed with any of this and simply behead the director. This may be a huge event for the Humans, for which they’re pulling out and parroting their favourite intellectual theories, but for the Nausicaan band this is just another alien settlement that won’t do what they want and quickly earns their ire.

Overall, the impression here is that the galaxy is no different from Earth, and your problems don’t magically disappear because you have warp drive (interesting, given that a lot of Trek, early TNG and season one of Enterprise in particular, seemed to insist that they do).

Perhaps surprisingly, this section isn't as overtly political as we might expect from Mangels/Martin. Or perhaps it is, but the subject matter is intense enough that it doesn't come across that way. Not a bad look at Earth’s most severe crisis; viewpoints are well enough tied to characters that it doesn’t come across as promoting any particular perspective. Overall, everyone’s just trying to make it through a very rough time.

First Appearances of Things That Are Important:

Earth. Politically unstable, high population, rapid technological advancement. Ignored by spacefaring races for some reason; we’ll get to that in later posts.

Zefram Cochrane and Lily Sloane. Earth’s greatest scientist and his ally.

Warp drive (sort of).

Continuity Notes:

Christopher Brynner, from "Past Tense", is involved in funding the asteroid habitats. A Roykirk Colony features among them, presumably named for the creator of one-half of Nomad, AKA the Murder-Probe (Earth is going to build up a habit of launching apparently harmless things into space which then merge with alien influence and become deadly. To be honest, the inhabitants of Vanguard are in fact among them). There’s a Starling habitat (named for Henry Starling of "Future’s End"), and one which features the name of Offenhouse (Ralph Offenhouse, the capitalist who gets the last laugh over the holier-than-thou Federation). Brynner, Starling, Offenhouse: It’s clear that the true leaders of Earth, its most notable names, are the rich businessmen; that it’s their legacy and their support that defines the era.

Next Time: First Contact. Already Earth has attracted enemies.
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Old July 28 2014, 03:19 PM   #3
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Re: The Great Chronological Run-Through

Interesting, so you'll be writing a blog type thing then on what you read/discover/what ever?
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Old July 28 2014, 03:28 PM   #4
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Interesting, so you'll be writing a blog type thing then on what you read/discover/what ever?
Mostly it's just going to be my usual rambling posts, but I think it will be interesting to see how the various stories resonate differently, or become more or less successful, when considered as chapters in an unfolding story. Which isn't how they were intended to be read, but you can justify approaching them that way. Hopefully my perspective on some of them might change in interesting ways.
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Old July 28 2014, 03:50 PM   #5
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Interesting, so you'll be writing a blog type thing then on what you read/discover/what ever?
Mostly it's just going to be my usual rambling posts, but I think it will be interesting to see how the various stories resonate differently, or become more or less successful, when considered as chapters in an unfolding story. Which isn't how they were intended to be read, but you can justify approaching them that way. Hopefully my perspective on some of them might change in interesting ways.
Best of luck! I'm going to enjoy following your posts
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Old July 28 2014, 03:57 PM   #6
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This is going to be fun and I will monitor closely. I started a similar project that will use the memory beta chronology (not perfect I know but good enough for me). I plan on doing complete works only and not individual timeline events that happen in a single chapter. I am just going to use the general framing of the story as the marker for when I read a particular book or short story. For example I would read the Rise and Fall of Khan books when I get to the 23rd centruy, in which those particular stories are framed.

The beginning of this project has taken place mostly in the Strange New Worlds volumes due to things like the Captain Proton stories that take place soley in the 1930's. There were some other stories framed in the 50's that focused on John Christopher and the aftermath of his encounter with the Enterprise. I knocked out a few other Strange New Worlds entries as well in the pre-Enterprise era but the journey will bascially begin with Broken Bow.

I'm not that far ahead of you (Just watched "Civilization") and I don't know what kind of pace you are going to be able to maintain but I'm pretty much taking my time on this huge task so I'll probably be pretty close to you. This works out perfectly for me. Good luck!

/Oh forgot to ask. Are you going to include comics? I decided that it would muddle things a bit too much for me so I'm going strictly Trek Lit and on screen media.
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Old July 28 2014, 04:05 PM   #7
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Yeah this is a great thread idea. I'm especially interested as I'm embarking on something very similar.

I've been doing very similar to Use of Time above, started with Strange New Worlds pieces that go back in the more distant past & I'm now working up to the start of Enterprise. I imagine certain stories I've missed or will connect back as part of future narratives but that's ok, long as I get a general feeling of chronology.

Interesting experiment though. I'll be following your journey for sure.
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T There were some other stories framed in the 50's that focused on John Christopher and the aftermath of his encounter with the Enterprise.
That's quite a trick, seeing as how that encounter happened in July 1969...
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Old July 28 2014, 04:09 PM   #9
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That's quite a trick, seeing as how that encounter happened in July 1969...
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Deranged Nasat, titles of television episodes are supposed to be in quotes, not italicized.

Fantastic endeavor by the way.
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Deranged Nasat, titles of television episodes are supposed to be in quotes, not italicized.
I always forget that. Thanks; I'll edit (and I'll try to keep it in mind going forward).
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Interesting, so you'll be writing a blog type thing then on what you read/discover/what ever?
Mostly it's just going to be my usual rambling posts, but I think it will be interesting to see how the various stories resonate differently, or become more or less successful, when considered as chapters in an unfolding story. Which isn't how they were intended to be read, but you can justify approaching them that way. Hopefully my perspective on some of them might change in interesting ways.
Good luck.

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titles of television episodes are supposed to be in quotes, not italicized.
Says who exactly?
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Old July 28 2014, 04:27 PM   #13
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Actually there are some style guides that endorse italics for episode titles, or quotes for movie titles; but personally I do find it clearer to use quotes for episodes/short stories and italics for books/series/movies, because it makes it easier to tell apart identical titles, like, say, the episode "First Contact" and the movie First Contact, or the episode "Metamorphosis" and the novel Metamorphosis.. With so many Trek novels sharing titles with episodes, it's a helpful distinction.

I'm never sure what to use for Trek e-novella titles, though. Since they're short fiction, I feel they should be in quotes; but they're published as complete works rather than portions of a longer work, so that argues for italics. Although then what do you do with SCE/Corps of Engineers? Its installments were essentially like episodes or issues in an ongoing series, so it seems their titles should be in quotes, but the convention is apparently to italicize them. I'm so confused!
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Good luck Nasat! That's quite the undertaking. I was thinking about doing the same kind of thing, but just with the onscreen fare, and the books that follow the series, but reading the DS9 relaunch has taken precendence. I'll follow the posts for sure
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titles of television episodes are supposed to be in quotes, not italicized.
Says who exactly?
That's how I've always seen it. It's also Wikipedia's policy.

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I'm never sure what to use for Trek e-novella titles, though. Since they're short fiction, I feel they should be in quotes; but they're published as complete works rather than portions of a longer work, so that argues for italics. Although then what do you do with SCE/Corps of Engineers? Its installments were essentially like episodes or issues in an ongoing series, so it seems their titles should be in quotes, but the convention is apparently to italicize them. I'm so confused!
I guess this isn't perfect, but I think that quotes generally go for works that are a subset of a complete publication while the complete publications go in italics. So short stories are quoted while the anthology containing them is italicized. Episodes are quoted while the shows (usually with DVD collections) to which they belong are italicized. eBooks novellas, I suppose, are italicized because novellas can sometimes be published on their own.
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