Dafydd ab Hugh

James T. Vader · March 28 2013, 07:31 PM

So, honestly, how can a publisher allow an author to put out work like his? It was so full of mistakes and canonical errors and screwed up settings and storylines, that Fallen Heroes was the only book of his I managed t finish.

His Rebels Trilogy was god awful and Vengenace started out with Quark wearing a sandwhich board trying to drum up support for his bar...

Then I found this...

and it allll made sense....

Relayer1 · March 28 2013, 09:43 PM

Well, I've read most of his Trek stuff and must admit, it stank...

Atticus · March 28 2013, 10:37 PM

What a kindly thread. Good for you.

kirk55555 · March 28 2013, 10:53 PM

I liked DS9: Fallen heroes and Invasion: Book 4 - The Final Fury, the two books I've read that he wrote.

Greg Cox · March 28 2013, 10:58 PM

Fallen Heroes was probably the best of the early DS9 novels (including mine).

Haven't read his other Trek stuff.

Therin of Andor · March 28 2013, 11:16 PM

James T. Vader wrote:

So, honestly, how can a publisher allow an author to put out work like his? It was so full of mistakes and canonical errors and screwed up settings and storylines, that Fallen Heroes was the only book of his I managed t finish.

"Fallen Heroes" was an excellent page turner.

His Rebels Trilogy was god awful and Vengenace started out with Quark wearing a sandwhich board trying to drum up support for his bar...

Well, you're complaining about errors and you've made a few of your own in that sentence. Anyway, correcting errors is the job of the editor and subeditors.

I did dislike "Rebels", but I was often underwhelmed by Bajoran stories - by anyone. What's wrong with Quark and a sandwich board? Sounds like typical Quark to me.

King Daniel · March 28 2013, 11:38 PM

Atticus wrote:

What a kindly thread. Good for you.

My thoughts exactly. But, hey - JJ Abrams gets this sort of thing every single day. You know you're a sombody when you've got a hate thread!

I've read and enjoyed several of Dafydd ab Hugh's Trek novels. Fallen Heroes was definitely the most memorable.

Mysterion · March 28 2013, 11:38 PM

Oh noes! He's wearing a Ronald Reagan t-shirt! He must be eeeeevil!

His books were just fine, IMO. At least no worse than some of the other crap I've seen published with the words Star Trek on the cover.

ronny · March 29 2013, 01:11 AM

That picture explains why he writes a right wing blog, it doesn't explain anything about what you think of his novels.

I haven't read his TNG book. The Voyager book was pretty good from what I remember. The DS9 books seemed pretty forgettable except for Fallen Heroes which I agree with Greg Cox on, it's probably the best of the numbered DS9 books. It's great.

Dukhat · March 29 2013, 02:02 AM

I remember reading Fallen Heroes and thinking what a good book it was. Yes, it had a reset button, but the story was so good it didn't bother me.

However, I was completely confused when the Rebels trilogy came out. Not only was it absolutely dreadful, but I got the impression that whoever wrote it hadn't even seen a single episode of DS9. I couldn't believe it was written by the same guy. Now, some early DS9 novels get a pass from me no matter how bad they are (i.e. K.W. Jeter's Warped) because when someone's writing for a brand-new show, one doesn't know much and by necessity needs to create things that will probably get contradicted by the show later. That's just the nature of the beast.

But the Rebels trilogy was published during DS9's final season! There's no excuse for why the characters acted so different from the show, or why other aspects of the books didn't equate to the show (One example I remember is that it was stated that the Cardassians used some other race called the Drek'la to do all their dirty work. Huh?)

Turtletrekker · March 29 2013, 02:55 AM

Fallen Heroes was excellent. Everything else of his that I've tried to read has been... incomprehensible.

Biffette · March 29 2013, 03:26 AM

I really enjoyed Balance of Power, Fallen Heroes, and his DOOM books. The other Deep Space Nine books were only okay, imo.

J. Allen · March 29 2013, 04:08 AM

I love his books, with Balance of Power being one of my favorites.

Smitty · March 29 2013, 05:00 AM

I actually appreciated this thread as it has pointed me to some books that I have not read. Overall sounds like people like his books.

If we disliked authors for their personal opinions, politics, color of their shirt, etc then there are many out there that would not have very many readers regardless whether they are left or right....

Ktrek · March 29 2013, 06:41 AM

I remember reading Balance of Power some years ago and at the time I enjoyed it. I'm not sure if I would today. I might pull it out and give it a re-read. I wasn't very impressed by Rebels or Fallen Heroes though.

Kevin

March 28 2013, 07:31 PM	#1
James T. Vader Lieutenant	Dafydd ab Hugh So, honestly, how can a publisher allow an author to put out work like his? It was so full of mistakes and canonical errors and screwed up settings and storylines, that Fallen Heroes was the only book of his I managed t finish. His Rebels Trilogy was god awful and Vengenace started out with Quark wearing a sandwhich board trying to drum up support for his bar... Then I found this... and it allll made sense....

March 28 2013, 09:43 PM	#2
Relayer1 Fleet Captain Location: The Black Country, England	Re: Dafydd ab Hugh Well, I've read most of his Trek stuff and must admit, it stank... __________________ Soon oh soon the light, Pass within and soothe this endless night, And wait here for you, Our reason to be here...

March 28 2013, 10:37 PM	#3
Atticus Lieutenant Commander Location: UK	Re: Dafydd ab Hugh What a kindly thread. Good for you.

March 28 2013, 10:53 PM	#4
kirk55555 Captain	Re: Dafydd ab Hugh I liked DS9: Fallen heroes and Invasion: Book 4 - The Final Fury, the two books I've read that he wrote.

March 28 2013, 10:58 PM	#5
Greg Cox Vice Admiral Location: Oxford, PA	Re: Dafydd ab Hugh Fallen Heroes was probably the best of the early DS9 novels (including mine). Haven't read his other Trek stuff. __________________ www.gregcox-author.com

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March 28 2013, 11:38 PM	#8
Mysterion Rear Admiral Location: Avoiding Commander Gampu	Re: Dafydd ab Hugh Oh noes! He's wearing a Ronald Reagan t-shirt! He must be eeeeevil! His books were just fine, IMO. At least no worse than some of the other crap I've seen published with the words Star Trek on the cover. __________________ You can't have too much ammunition. Or toilet paper. - Mysterion's First Law of Warfare

March 29 2013, 01:11 AM	#9
ronny Fleet Captain Location: San Francisco, CA	Re: Dafydd ab Hugh That picture explains why he writes a right wing blog, it doesn't explain anything about what you think of his novels. I haven't read his TNG book. The Voyager book was pretty good from what I remember. The DS9 books seemed pretty forgettable except for Fallen Heroes which I agree with Greg Cox on, it's probably the best of the numbered DS9 books. It's great. __________________ If you want people to respect your ideas, get better ideas. - John Scalzi Last edited by ronny; March 29 2013 at 06:58 PM.

March 29 2013, 02:02 AM	#10
Dukhat Commodore Location: Baltimore, MD	Re: Dafydd ab Hugh I remember reading Fallen Heroes and thinking what a good book it was. Yes, it had a reset button, but the story was so good it didn't bother me. However, I was completely confused when the Rebels trilogy came out. Not only was it absolutely dreadful, but I got the impression that whoever wrote it hadn't even seen a single episode of DS9. I couldn't believe it was written by the same guy. Now, some early DS9 novels get a pass from me no matter how bad they are (i.e. K.W. Jeter's Warped) because when someone's writing for a brand-new show, one doesn't know much and by necessity needs to create things that will probably get contradicted by the show later. That's just the nature of the beast. But the Rebels trilogy was published during DS9's final season! There's no excuse for why the characters acted so different from the show, or why other aspects of the books didn't equate to the show (One example I remember is that it was stated that the Cardassians used some other race called the Drek'la to do all their dirty work. Huh?) __________________ I never make mistrakes.

March 29 2013, 02:55 AM	#11
Turtletrekker Vice Admiral Location: Tacoma, Washington	Re: Dafydd ab Hugh Fallen Heroes was excellent. Everything else of his that I've tried to read has been... incomprehensible. __________________ Coulson lives! Last edited by Turtletrekker; March 29 2013 at 03:05 AM.

March 29 2013, 03:26 AM	#12
Biffette Captain Location: Seattle-ish	Re: Dafydd ab Hugh I really enjoyed Balance of Power, Fallen Heroes, and his DOOM books. The other Deep Space Nine books were only okay, imo.

March 29 2013, 04:08 AM	#13
J. Allen Trekkie™ Location: A Quantum State	Re: Dafydd ab Hugh I love his books, with Balance of Power being one of my favorites. __________________ -------------------- "Laser effects, mirrored balls; John Williams must be rolling around in his grave!" - Homer Simpson

March 29 2013, 05:00 AM	#14
Smitty Lieutenant Commander Location: Dallas/Fort Worth, TX	Re: Dafydd ab Hugh I actually appreciated this thread as it has pointed me to some books that I have not read. Overall sounds like people like his books. If we disliked authors for their personal opinions, politics, color of their shirt, etc then there are many out there that would not have very many readers regardless whether they are left or right.... __________________ Please, Captain, not in front of the Klingons. -Spock to Kirk

March 29 2013, 06:41 AM	#15
Ktrek Captain	Re: Dafydd ab Hugh I remember reading Balance of Power some years ago and at the time I enjoyed it. I'm not sure if I would today. I might pull it out and give it a re-read. I wasn't very impressed by Rebels or Fallen Heroes though. Kevin __________________ "Oh...Well, Who am I to argue with me?" Dr. Bashir - Visionary - Deep Space Nine