Forced Mind Meld?

[ClawsThatCatch]

Hey, I'm trying to make a list of all the times Spock (or I guess any other vulcan) has forced another person into a mild meld. These are the instances I could think of.

1) In "Mirror Mirror" Mirror-Spock forces Bones into a mind meld

2) In the movie The Undiscovered Country Spock forces Saavic into a mind meld to get important information.

3) In the new movie Star Trek (2009)Spock mind melds with an unconscious romulan

4) In the episode "Requiem for Methuselah" Spock mind melds with Kirk, not really with his permission, to erase painful memories of his love with the robot woman.

Please add more if you can think of them.

[Mr. Laser Beam]

ClawsThatCatch wrote:

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2) In the movie The Undiscovered Country Spock forces Saavic into a mind meld to get important information.

actually that was Valeris, not Saavik.

3) In the new movie Star Trek (2009)Spock mind melds with an unconscious romulan

Then it's not really a forced meld, as such, since the Romulan was not awake to be able to resist it.

[ClawsThatCatch]

Mr. Laser Beam wrote:

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actually that was Valeris, not Saavik.

Man, I'm embarrassed. Rookie mistake on my part.

Mr. Laser Beam wrote:

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Then it's not really a forced meld, as such, since the Romulan was not awake to be able to resist it.

lol. I'm sorry, I'm just imagining someone trying to make that argument in court. "It wasn't non-consentual because she wasn't conscious!"

[GSchnitzer]

Mr. Laser Beam wrote:

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actually that was Valeris, not Saavik.

Then it's not really a forced meld, as such, since the Romulan was not awake to be able to resist it.

That sounds a lot like the "It's not really rape if she's drunk" defense.

[Cornholio]

damn, I can't remember the episode, but seems like I remember Spock putting the mental moves on some chick to get her to do something without her knowledge. I think it might've been 'the Omega Glory'.

guess I need to break out the discs and watch TOS again.

[King Daniel Into Darkness]

Spock put his Katra into Bones without permission in TWoK.

...then again, Bones was unconcious at the time

(ever had a really weird dream? That's just Spock mind-raping you as you sleep)

The Katra-without-permission thing happened to Archer during the last season of Enterprise, and he ended up sharing brain-time with Surak.

A Vulcan Maquis tried (without luck) to meld with Quark in DS9.

[King Daniel Into Darkness]

Troi got mind-raped by Shinzon via his Reman Viceroy in Nemesis (Remans are supposed to be mutant vampiric Vulcanoids, right?), and there was a Vulcan-free TNG mind rape episode I can remember nothing about.

[DonIago]

KingDaniel wrote:

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A Vulcan Maquis tried (without luck) to meld with Quark in DS9.

Dukat, not Quark...but the similarity is remarkable.

[ClawsThatCatch]

Cornholio wrote:

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damn, I can't remember the episode, but seems like I remember Spock putting the mental moves on some chick to get her to do something without her knowledge. I think it might've been 'the Omega Glory'.

guess I need to break out the discs and watch TOS again.

Ya, I know what you're talking about. Spock "suggested" to the savage-girl that she bring his communicator to him.

There was also that episode, I think it was "A Taste of Armageddon," where Spock "suggests" that a guard open his cell.

KingDaniel wrote:

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Spock put his Katra into Bones without permission in TWoK.

...then again, Bones was unconcious at the time

(ever had a really weird dream? That's just Spock mind-raping you as you sleep)

LMAO. I'll never be able to sleep the same way again!

[Joel_Kirk]

Spock forces a mind-meld (and more, if you're into that) onto Kirk in the novel 'Killing Time'...

[DevilEyes]

ClawsThatCatch wrote:

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Hey, I'm trying to make a list of all the times Spock (or I guess any other vulcan) has forced another person into a mild meld. These are the instances I could think of.

1) In "Mirror Mirror" Mirror-Spock forces Bones into a mind meld

2) In the movie The Undiscovered Country Spock forces Valeris into a mind meld to get important information.

3) In the new movie Star Trek (2009)Spock mind melds with an unconscious romulan

4) In the episode "Requiem for Methuselah" Spock mind melds with Kirk, not really with his permission, to erase painful memories of his love with the robot woman.

Please add more if you can think of them.

5) in ENT "Fusion", Tolaris, the V'tosh ka'tur Vulcan, starts a consensual meld with T'Pol, but then proceeds even after she asks him to stop - she eventually pulls herself away... (She contracted the Panar syndrome as a result.)

6) In ENT "In A Mirror, Darkly", Mirror T'Pol, having lured Mirror Trip with the promise of sex, forces a meld on him and implants a telepathic suggestion to perform sabotage, then uses the same technique to erase his memory

7) in DS9 "The Maquis", Sakonna, the Vulcan Maquis, unsuccessfully tries to force a meld on Dukat as a part of interrogation. Apparently, the Cardassian military has training for resisting a Vulcan mind-meld (or at least Dukat has learned it)

8) I'm not sure about Tuvok's mind-meld with the alien in VOY "Random Thoughts" - it was consensual for sure, but he obviously showed the intention to force thoughts a lot more violent on the guy than he expected... Continuing with the rape metaphors, would that be like having sex with someone who likes it rough, and then saying "You want rough? I'll give you rough" and proceeding to really hurt them?

9) ENT "The Forge" features another meld with an unconscious subject - urged by Trip and Phlox, Soval melds with a comatose guard to disclose the information about the bomber

KingDaniel wrote:

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Spock put his Katra into Bones without permission in TWoK.

Not exactly a meld, but also very intrusive and a form of mental violation...even worse than forced meld, come to think of it. You literally have another soul in your body! Is that like... Spock raped Bones and got him pregnant?

Ugh, maybe we should stop with those rape analogies...

KingDaniel wrote:

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Troi got mind-raped by Shinzon via his Reman Viceroy in Nemesis (Remans are supposed to be mutant vampiric Vulcanoids, right?), and there was a Vulcan-free TNG mind rape episode I can remember nothing about.

Neither of those was a mind-meld. It was (literally) rape, as in forced sex, except that it happened only in the mind.

KingDaniel wrote:

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A Vulcan Maquis tried (without luck) to meld with Quark in DS9.

She never tried such a thing... but Quark was obviously hoping to meld with her in a different way...

[A beaker full of death]

The appalling scene in STVI was unlike anything Spock had ever done - or would ever do. All the characterizations were way off in that movie, which is why I can barely watch it.

[ClawsThatCatch]

I remembered that in the episode "Patterns of Force" Spock mind melds with John Gill without permission.

I was thinking, did Spock really get permission from that Horta or Gracie the Whale? lol.

DevilEyes wrote:

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Not exactly a meld, but also very intrusive and a form of mental violation...even worse than forced meld, come to think of it. You literally have another soul in your body! Is that like... Spock raped Bones and got him pregnant?

LOL. Poor Bones! That guy goes through a lot.

[T'Girl]

ClawsThatCatch wrote:

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Ya, I know what you're talking about. Spock "suggested" to the savage-girl that she bring his communicator to him.

There was also that episode, I think it was "A Taste of Armageddon," where Spock "suggests" that a guard open his cell.

In the TOS episode "By Any Other Name" Spock convinces a guard that the crew had escaped and he should open a holding cell.

This thread is starting to sound like a bunch of sailors on a twelve hours shore leave.

And what about Nomad, did it really know what it was getting into?

[FormerLurker]

Spock did that to Kelinda in "By Any Other Name" after Kirk remembered him doing it in "A Taste of Armageddon" and asked him if he could do it again.