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Old August 6 2010, 08:12 PM   #1
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Did Diane Duane have to make cuts in her last 3 Rihannsu books?

I've been re-reading the set and it seems to me that there was a certain amount of build up on some aspects of the story (like Starfleet's planning for war and the question of Kirk's "political reliability" that just seemed to drop out and go unresolved.

Then there was the "will they, won't they" way Ael played off of Kirk. Did Duane intend for there to be more to them than professional acquaintances with some UST thrown in?

It just felt to me like there were blocks missing out of the story, esp Book 5, and sub-plots that were left hanging.

Anyone have any info they can share?
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Old August 6 2010, 08:26 PM   #2
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Re: Did Diane Duane have to make cuts in her last 3 Rihannsu books?

I have no idea, but I've always suspected that the two Constellation-class starships that show up are mundane stand-ins for Duane's awesome USS Inaieu and crew.
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Old August 6 2010, 08:56 PM   #3
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Re: Did Diane Duane have to make cuts in her last 3 Rihannsu books?

Considering how many years passed between the books, it's possible Duane simply reconsidered certain aspects of the story in the interim. Also there was a change in editors between the penultimate book and the final one.
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Old August 6 2010, 10:58 PM   #4
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Re: Did Diane Duane have to make cuts in her last 3 Rihannsu books?

darkwing_duck1 wrote: View Post
Then there was the "will they, won't they" way Ael played off of Kirk. Did Duane intend for there to be more to them than professional acquaintances with some UST thrown in?
The answer to this is perhaps suggested in Chris Claremont's "Debt of Honor" graphic novel (DC Comics), wherein Kirk and a female Romulan Commander (whom Claremont wanted to be Ael from Diane Duane's novels, but Richard Arnold nixed that) had a similar did-they-or-didn't-they backstory together.

And then we met a younger female Romulan named T'Kir. (T'Kir, get it?)

But I think, in the books, that Diane Duane wanted us, the readers, to decide how far Kirk and Ael may have taken mutual admiration.
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Old August 7 2010, 04:21 AM   #5
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Re: Did Diane Duane have to make cuts in her last 3 Rihannsu books?

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Then there was the "will they, won't they" way Ael played off of Kirk. Did Duane intend for there to be more to them than professional acquaintances with some UST thrown in?
The answer to this is perhaps suggested in Chris Claremont's "Debt of Honor" graphic novel (DC Comics), wherein Kirk and a female Romulan Commander (whom Claremont wanted to be Ael from Diane Duane's novels, but Richard Arnold nixed that) had a similar did-they-or-didn't-they backstory together.

And then we met a younger female Romulan named T'Kir. (T'Kir, get it?)
I'd wondered about that at the time it came out...but that's what Claremount wanted, not what Duane intended. I can't find any place in the books themselves where such an encounter COULD have happened.

But I think, in the books, that Diane Duane wanted us, the readers, to decide how far Kirk and Ael may have taken mutual admiration.
That's how it works out in the end.

So what do you think happened with the whole "Starfleet doubts Kirk" storyline?
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Old August 7 2010, 06:08 AM   #6
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Re: Did Diane Duane have to make cuts in her last 3 Rihannsu books?

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So what do you think happened with the whole "Starfleet doubts Kirk" storyline?
Dunno! Try emailing Diane Duane herself. She has a website and a Facebook presence.
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Old August 8 2010, 05:03 AM   #7
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Re: Did Diane Duane have to make cuts in her last 3 Rihannsu books?

I wonder if "Ael" was the inspiration for the name "Ayel" in Star Trek '09? IIRC, the writers are fans of Trek Lit.
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Old August 8 2010, 06:43 AM   #8
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Re: Did Diane Duane have to make cuts in her last 3 Rihannsu books?

OMG!

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Old August 8 2010, 10:33 AM   #9
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Re: The Missing Line of Dialog that Destroyed Star Trek XI

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I wonder if "Ael" was the inspiration for the name "Ayel" in Star Trek '09? IIRC, the writers are fans of Trek Lit.
I spotted that too!

In the cinema, I was like: Ayel? Ael? Ayel? Ael?


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...Ayel's a girl's name!!
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Old August 9 2010, 06:26 AM   #10
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Re: Did Diane Duane have to make cuts in her last 3 Rihannsu books?

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Old August 14 2010, 06:15 PM   #11
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Re: The Missing Line of Dialog that Destroyed Star Trek XI

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I wonder if "Ael" was the inspiration for the name "Ayel" in Star Trek '09? IIRC, the writers are fans of Trek Lit.
I spotted that too!

In the cinema, I was like: Ayel? Ael? Ayel? Ael?


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...Ayel's a girl's name!!
The difference between Ael and Ayel is similar to the difference between Erin and Aaron. One is the vagina version and the other is the penis version.
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Old August 15 2010, 06:14 AM   #12
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Re: Did Diane Duane have to make cuts in her last 3 Rihannsu books?

^ IIRC, both times that Ayel was named in the movie, his name was pronounced "Eye-El." I'd always thought Duane's Empress was named "Ay-El." If that's right, the difference between the names would be more like that between Shane and Shawn.
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Old August 15 2010, 02:09 PM   #13
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Re: Did Diane Duane have to make cuts in her last 3 Rihannsu books?

^It sounded to me like everyone's favourite Australian/Romulan thug was pronouncing it "Hey El"

Does anyone know what Diane thought of STXI? A Google search didn't turn up anything, but I'm sure she must have commented on it by now - they blew up her planet!
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Old August 15 2010, 02:42 PM   #14
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Re: Did Diane Duane have to make cuts in her last 3 Rihannsu books?

No, they blew up Romulus, not ch'Rihan.
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