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View Poll Results: Grade Iron Man 2
Excellent 60 36.36%
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Average 29 17.58%
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Old May 17 2010, 09:49 PM   #316
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I rewatched the first movie today, it's obviously much better and I think the second movie just tried to cram in too much at once. Seemed like there was a lot going on in the second one.
I, personally, am not getting this. There was a lot going on, sure, but too much? I didn't feel that at all. I thought it was perfect. It was less straight forward, slightly more cerebral and there were more threads going through, sure...but that's what I want in a sequel. Not once did I feel lost in any of it.
I think there was a lot going on, but it just didn't mesh together quite as successfully as I think the filmmakers were hoping for. I dunno. I felt honestly bored by certain parts of the movie, and elements just didn't feel that compelling or interesting, whereas in the first movie, there was never a dull moment, and all of the elements at play were either interesting or compelling to watch.
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Old May 17 2010, 09:54 PM   #317
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I loved it. Great action, effects but fully captured the humanity, the personalities and issues of the characters in play. And all the easter eggs...it's a good time to be a super hero/comic fan.
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Old May 17 2010, 11:27 PM   #318
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Hammer is what Tony could have become with brains or conscience but he's there just to make Tony look awesome in comparison.
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Old May 17 2010, 11:54 PM   #319
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^ Pretty much it I just think they could have done more with him rather than making him a carbon copy of Tony which he pretty much is just on an annoying level.
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Old May 18 2010, 03:38 PM   #320
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I'm sure there'll be some kind of flashback montage when the Ten Rings is revealed, if they're doing things that subtly, or at the very least a Villainous Speech. "Oh, Stark, we've been going after you for ages. How did you think an impoverished Russian criminal got to Monaco, or how a gang in the desert made a deal with your right-hand man?"
And Spider-man 3 showed how much we all love retconning our villains ...
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Old May 19 2010, 12:34 AM   #321
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So it doesn't help that it was all planned from the start? Can you actually retcon something in advance?
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Old May 19 2010, 12:44 AM   #322
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Yeah, I think it's a difference from having it being set-up from the start, and then shoe-horning in a last minute change from the first film that effectively changes everything (by making the Sandman the killer of Uncle Ben). I mean, you can see how they've been setting it up, if they choose The Mandarin.
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Old May 19 2010, 03:33 AM   #323
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I dunno, I get the feeling that even if Raimi HAD made the thief always be Flint Marko it still wouldn't have been accepted by the audience.
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Old May 19 2010, 01:20 PM   #324
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Yeah, I think it's a difference from having it being set-up from the start, and then shoe-horning in a last minute change from the first film that effectively changes everything (by making the Sandman the killer of Uncle Ben). I mean, you can see how they've been setting it up, if they choose The Mandarin.
The key difference is that even if the Mandarin is a retcon (which it wouldn't), it would make sense. Someone is interested in Stark's tech (or at least controlling it through proxies) and is trying to either discredit or kill him.

Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer is just random coincidence and goes against what we directly saw in the first movie.
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Old May 19 2010, 09:20 PM   #325
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EVERYTHING about the Spidey-movies is a contrivance, though:

1) Of all people Peter is best friends with, it's the son of the guy who becomes his first supervillain?

2) Of all the nuclear scientists out there, the one Peter gets close to just HAPPENS to become the second supervillain he fights?

3) Of all the people in NYC, MJ gets engaged to the son of Peter's boss?

4) Eddie Brock just HAPPENED to be at the Church to become Venom?

5) Gwen Stacy just HAPPENED to be Peter's friend AND be in that building when the crane lost control to be saved by Spidey AND be the Police Captain's daughter?
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Old May 20 2010, 12:17 PM   #326
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^ Most action/ adventure movies feature plot contrivances. From Die Hard to Raiders of the Lost Ark, and not forgetting the likes of Ben Hur or Pirates of the Carribean. You have to just accept them.
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Old May 20 2010, 12:23 PM   #327
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Gwen Stacy just HAPPENED to be Peter's friend AND be in that building when the crane lost control to be saved by Spidey AND be the Police Captain's daughter?
I love how he saves Gwen but then swings off leaving the crane swinging wildly and banging around into the building.
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Old May 20 2010, 03:44 PM   #328
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The Police said they cut the power to the Crane. We just didn't see it happen.
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Old May 20 2010, 04:39 PM   #329
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I went with average. I thought the build up to the final confrontation between Ironman and Whipflash(?) was wasted on a poor final battle. And the movie's logic just isn't there when, most of the time it seems, Ironman (stark) is walking around unprotected and could be taken out an any second by a common thug..and yet the government can't get this guy???

Not as fun as the first one...and absolutely no chemistry between Downey and Paltrow at all...IMO.

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Old May 22 2010, 01:32 AM   #330
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With 14 days in domestic US release and about 20 in total(opened 5/6 days early int'l) IM2 has pulled in $479million worldwide and $224 US domestic.

It beat Robin Hood last weekend and was the #1 movie for two weeks running. IM is likely to pull in about $23-26million this weekend so its not likely to beat Shrek 4. That is unless like me the masses could really care less about more Shrek adventures.
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