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Old May 28 2010, 04:56 AM   #16
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Re: Star Trek TV Series To 3-D - CBS possible Conversion

One of the advantages with 3D Star Trek is seeing interstellar vistas, spaceship battles, alien planets, and awesome aliens all in full-fledged 3D. Imo 3D doesn't really serve that much point for regular tv dramas or comedies. 3D has much more potential for films and series with exotic environments and creatures, like Scifi and fantasy. So in this regard I think 3D trek would definitely be interesting to watch, if nothing else then perhaps as a mini feature. Maybe something that ties in with the next trek movie.

Or, if live action 3D is too costly, then why not go all the way and make a full-fledged CGI Trek series in 3D?
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Old May 28 2010, 12:17 PM   #17
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One of the advantages with 3D Star Trek is seeing interstellar vistas, spaceship battles, alien planets, and awesome aliens all in full-fledged 3D.
I agree. The possible conversion that this thread is about for older Trek series is not really going to look good similar to Clash of the Titans conversion after the film was shot & edited.
A live-action film shot in stereoscopic 3-D like Avatar must use a stereoscopic camera during production. There is a poll for the next film & discussion:
Poll: Star Trek 2012 in 3D, Yes or No?

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if live action 3D is too costly, then why not go all the way and make a full-fledged CGI Trek series in 3D?
Again a poll has been created & discussion within:
Poll: A Star trek CGI series

3-D in the home is going to be a niche for 5-10 years if it ever goes mainstream. I think though if things were shot in 3-D they could have people at the cinema to watch them as limited engagement events such as a pilot for a new series. CBS Television though holds the key to unlocking that box.
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Old June 10 2010, 09:29 AM   #18
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Re: Star Trek TV Series To 3-D - CBS possible Conversion

Star Trek in 3-D = Awesome
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Old July 6 2011, 12:03 AM   #19
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Re: Star Trek TV Series To 3-D - CBS possible Conversion

Since there's been a lot of talk this early Summer about TNG-Remastered and CBS Television has already been mentioned as looking into converting TNG to 3-D today it was in the news that


According to DDD president and CEO Chris Yewdall, the company is able to convert 2D video into 3D for $10,000 per hour of content using a combination of an automated process with a human stereoscopic engineer.
CBS may be bringing 3D versions of its shows to a 24-hour cable network, and it has already demonstrated 2D-to-3D converted programming privately to several operators, according to industry sources familiar with the project.
The broadcast network is considering a strategy to gain distribution for the 3D channel through its retransmission-consent negotiations with cable, satellite and telco TV operators, according to one source.

However, another executive familiar with CBS's 3D tests said the network has not made a definitive decision on whether to move forward. "It is all very preliminary," this source said. "There are no solid plans to launch a network."
While nothing certain the fact that CBS owns star trek this would be an ideal place to launch a new trek series in 3-D say in 2016.
CBS Testing Waters For 3D Cable Net: Sources
Broadcaster Has Shown Private Demos of 2D-to-3D Converted Material

If they are testing new 2010s TV series for 3-D conversion or possibly older properties such as TNG-R that would be required to be retelecine'd to HD and go through the entire post process it is possible although a lot more investment on CBS's behalf for the new visual FX they would have to create in 3-D.

I still think if the next Trek on TV were animated 3-D would really make it better.

As far as their other high rated properties in the last 10 years:
Only season 1 of CSI was released on Blu-ray. It's possible CSI was selected as a possible 3-D conversion series and that's why they have held off on releasing the older seasons on Blu-ray for 2 years now.
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Old July 6 2011, 04:50 AM   #20
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Re: Star Trek TV Series To 3-D - CBS possible Conversion

As pointed out upthread, SD is still holding on strong in the face of a continual onslaught of HD (for the simple fact that most folks are not going to toss out a perfectly good tv for the sake of the newest flashy gadget, only to turn around and toss out that one for the next flashy gadget). So for the foreseeable future, if it ain't compatible with a standard definition television, it's not gonna get much traction with a mainstream audience.
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Old July 6 2011, 02:32 PM   #21
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Re: Star Trek TV Series To 3-D - CBS possible Conversion

jefferiestubes8 wrote: View Post
Since there's been a lot of talk this early Summer about TNG-Remastered and CBS Television has already been mentioned as looking into converting TNG to 3-D today it was in the news that


According to DDD president and CEO Chris Yewdall, the company is able to convert 2D video into 3D for $10,000 per hour of content using a combination of an automated process with a human stereoscopic engineer.
The broadcast network is considering a strategy to gain distribution for the 3D channel through its retransmission-consent negotiations with cable, satellite and telco TV operators, according to one source.

However, another executive familiar with CBS's 3D tests said the network has not made a definitive decision on whether to move forward. "It is all very preliminary," this source said. "There are no solid plans to launch a network."
While nothing certain the fact that CBS owns star trek this would be an ideal place to launch a new trek series in 3-D say in 2016.
CBS Testing Waters For 3D Cable Net: Sources
Broadcaster Has Shown Private Demos of 2D-to-3D Converted Material

If they are testing new 2010s TV series for 3-D conversion or possibly older properties such as TNG-R that would be required to be retelecine'd to HD and go through the entire post process it is possible although a lot more investment on CBS's behalf for the new visual FX they would have to create in 3-D.

I still think if the next Trek on TV were animated 3-D would really make it better.

As far as their other high rated properties in the last 10 years:
Only season 1 of CSI was released on Blu-ray. It's possible CSI was selected as a possible 3-D conversion series and that's why they have held off on releasing the older seasons on Blu-ray for 2 years now.
Once new FX are being done in CGI, it would not cost that much more to render them in 3D. Just a second render pass from a different camera location.

Of course converting the filmed live action footage will be much more difficult. I wonder if this technology they claim to have is any good or if we're talking Clash of the Titans issues.

Either way, it's possible that the 3D channel is putting up money to convert shows and that is being used to fund TNG-R the same way HD-DVD was used to fund TOS-R.
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Old July 6 2011, 06:06 PM   #22
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Re: Star Trek TV Series To 3-D - CBS possible Conversion

I suspect you're oversimplifying a tad. With this sort of thing, even the inexpensive stuff costs a boatload of cash.
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Old July 6 2011, 10:59 PM   #23
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Re: Star Trek TV Series To 3-D - CBS possible Conversion

Of course, but rerendering a cgi film is a lot easier than converting live action to 3D. That's why a lot of the early 3D films were CGI.
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Old July 7 2011, 04:59 AM   #24
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Re: Star Trek TV Series To 3-D - CBS possible Conversion

I think what we'd be looking as is this: Take the cost of rendering the sequence in the first place. Now double it, because you're now rendering it twice, and odds are you won't be able to just use the first version and add another rendering to make it 3D, you'll have to rerender the whole damn thing. Twice. Plus the cost of having to figure out how far to offset the one rendering from the other for the desired 3D effect, which'll be different for each shot (remember, these guys don't work for free, or even cheap), and like I said, even the inexpensive route costs major bucks. And all this for something that's still pretty iffy as far as the home market is concerned, and, as stated above, where there's no industry standard at present, which always invites disaster for at least one party (like the poor schmucks holding the HD-DVD bag), sometimes all parties (anybody remember AM Stereo?).

Network execs and studio heads are basically cowards. Nobody wants to be the first on anything, and generally won't make a move until someone else sticks his neck out first.

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Old July 8 2011, 08:42 PM   #25
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Re: Star Trek TV Series To 3-D - CBS possible Conversion

They're trying to do 3D technology without the glasses now. In theory, it sounds interesting, but in reality it is not. I saw it displayed on a new cellphone, the EVO 3D. It looks like those hologram postcards that shift the image as you move it, but a terrible version of it. Even if they get it to the point where it looks good, it's just bizarre. Has Hober stated, it becomes a matter of what the eyes can focus on. It isn't elegant by any means.

The physics are undeniable. Outside of an actual hologram, in order to properly see a 3D projection you need to have special glasses. A true hologram is a technology that is still quite a number of years away. And even still, it presents a big problem: A movie is about directing what your eyes see. If you can see everything, then your eyes aren't directed. You lose the substance of what the movie intends to show. So, I really don't think holographic technology will ever really make it as a viable entertainment medium for something like a movie. It will be terrific as an educational tool or for documentaries.

No... 2D provides an experience that feels "right." It enables a wonderful means by which a story can be told, which creates an illusion in the mind of the viewer. 3D works in some special respects, but not most. And quite frankly, at home it's seriously tedious, having to take off the glasses anytime you do something away from the TV and then put them back on when you resume watching.
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Old July 8 2011, 11:02 PM   #26
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Re: Star Trek TV Series To 3-D - CBS possible Conversion

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2D provides an experience that feels "right." It enables a wonderful means by which a story can be told, which creates an illusion in the mind of the viewer. 3D works in some special respects, but not most.
I think conversion of TNG or any other Trek TV series or TOS feature films would be very gimmicky.

I think that shooting the next Trek TV series in stereoscopic 3-D for the live action and the CGI fully rendered in 3-D would really take a TV series to the next level.
from the Could the next Trek TV series be shot in 3-D? thread:
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3D might spark more interest in visual/action based TV shows.

And in that way, 3D might be the thing that drags Star Trek back onto the small screen.
It would always be available almost immediately in 2D high definition from such places as iTunes store, Amazon.com, and months later as full seasons in Blu-Ray in 2D & 3-D. CBS would not make it 3-D only and no way to purchase a 2D version.
Too much money to lose out on...

As far as 2D ruining the illusion in the mind of the viewer just watching in HD sometimes does it:from the TOS-R season 1 Blu-Ray
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Pindar wrote:
I am staring at zippers in costumes instead officers in uniforms.
Instead of concentrating on the episode I was being pulled out of it by seeing zips and fasteners.
It is the Catch-22.
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Old July 12 2011, 11:58 PM   #27
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Re: Star Trek TV Series To 3-D - CBS possible Conversion

CBS is considering a paid 3D channel of shows converted from 2D to 3D.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...D_Network/7239

At 10000 hour I think they would use their CBS library first to fill time.
TOS-R Trek anyone?
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Old July 13 2011, 01:22 AM   #28
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"The idea would be to offer a pay channel that would presumably broadcast the same content that's on CBS, but in 3D." Sounds more like a 3D simulcast of what's currently on CBS, not a library conversion.
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Old September 27 2011, 02:42 PM   #29
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Re: Star Trek TV Series To 3-D - CBS possible Conversion

Since CBS is doing TNG-R (still unofficially) as a Blu-ray sampler. Would it be possible that the sampler be available as a 3-D Blu-ray?
Any and all Visual FX would be CGI & rendered in stereoscopic 3-D?

There are 10-year old videogames which are being re-released in stereoscopic 3-D & high definition and better framerates as well as Pixar movies such as Toy Story and now Disney's Beauty & the Beast which are being re-rendered in 3-D.

see:
Huge Success of 'The Lion King' 3D Re-Release Has Studios Studying Their Libraries


Since CBS is retelecineing TNG from the original camera negative & redoing all the Visual FX why not do a stereoscopic 3-D conversion of the live-action footage & render all the CGI VFX in 3-D?
Maybe even get people to pay for it in the cinema for a short time for Best of Both Worlds in 3-D & then sell it as a 3-D Blu-ray?

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Old September 27 2011, 05:49 PM   #30
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I still have yet to see any mentions of redoing the effects in TNG.
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