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Old July 10 2011, 01:37 PM   #106
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Re: What continuity errors are there on Voyager?

From The Cloud, episode 6.

JANEWAY: Proceed.
TORRES [OC]: Acknowledged. Accelerating deuterium to rear thrusters.
CHAKOTAY: We have a complement of thirty eight photon torpedoes at our disposal, Captain.
JANEWAY: And no way to replace them after they're gone.
My bad.
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Old July 10 2011, 02:41 PM   #107
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Didn't Voyager have higher ratings than DS9?
No, it did not.
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Old July 10 2011, 03:21 PM   #108
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Are you sure about that? DS9 was straight-to-syndication. VOY was the flagship of a new network.
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Old July 10 2011, 03:51 PM   #109
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Re: What continuity errors are there on Voyager?

DS9's ratings can't be compared to VOY's because one was syndicated and the other wasn't.

Also, VOY was up against much more powerful competition than DS9.

Whenever the DS9 creators talk about the difficulties they had with their show and doing things, they really have no idea how hard it REALLY can be because they had it VERY easy for a TV series.

And this "If VOY was better Trek would've lasted longer" stuff is mostly BS cooked up by Niners to make their show look better. If VOY was this "ultimate Trek show" they keep whining it could've been (unlikely, given how limiting the premise was) nothing would've changed, franchise-wise.
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Old July 10 2011, 11:23 PM   #110
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Voyager was always a Seven year concern. Nothing was going to give it an 8th year. Although if Voyager was better, then Enterprise would have lasted longer.
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Old July 10 2011, 11:38 PM   #111
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Luther Sloan wrote: View Post
If you didn't see it already, check this out...

http://trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=3997372&postcount=224

Yep that runs down the ENT errors fairly well.
Voyager's are less effectual to canon. The torpedo situation, the shuttles and inability to make more. Personally I fine the Aero Flyer a bit of contradiction. Why build the Delta Flyer if the Aero Flyer exist? Voyager's top speed was never seen in practice.

These are minor problems but it goes to show you where Trek was going once ENT hit the air waves.

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Old July 11 2011, 12:11 AM   #112
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Was that the sustainable crusie velocity of warp 9.975, which became more of a maximum speed.
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Old July 11 2011, 12:51 AM   #113
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STADI: That's our ship. That's Voyager.
(It is docked at an upper pylon.)
STADI: Intrepid class. Sustainable cruise velocity of warp factor nine point nine seven five. Fifteen decks. Crew complement of one hundred and forty one. Bio-neural circuitry.
PARIS: Bio-neural?
Sustainable.

There was an episode of TNG where Romulan Warbirds were chasing the Enterprise and they were talking about who long these ships could maintain specific speeds for x number of hours without their engines exploding.

I doubt they mean sustained cruise for much longer than 10 hours.

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Old July 11 2011, 01:06 AM   #114
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In BoBW the Enterprises sustainable speed was measured in 12 hour increment best speed.
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Old July 11 2011, 08:15 AM   #115
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STADI: That's our ship. That's Voyager.
(It is docked at an upper pylon.)
STADI: Intrepid class. Sustainable cruise velocity of warp factor nine point nine seven five. Fifteen decks. Crew complement of one hundred and forty one. Bio-neural circuitry.
PARIS: Bio-neural?
Sustainable.

There was an episode of TNG where Romulan Warbirds were chasing the Enterprise and they were talking about who long these ships could maintain specific speeds for x number of hours without their engines exploding.

I doubt they mean sustained cruise for much longer than 10 hours.

A good engineer looks upon the factory specifications as a dare, but a great engineer thinks of factory specifications as an insult.
Then it's not sustainable, sustanable would generally mean you can cruise along at that speed for however long you want. Now if they had said maximum instead of sustainable you could say it's for x hours. As with everthying it's in the wording.
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Old July 11 2011, 08:49 AM   #116
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Yeah, and hair perms aren't permanent.
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Old July 11 2011, 09:12 AM   #117
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According to Gilligans Island a "cruise" only lasts 3 hours.

Near the beginning of Enterprise there was an argument between Trip and Archer that went "Warp 5! Now!" "You understand that this is only theoretically a warp 5 engine? It's only our top speed during the best conditions for probably a couple minutes if we're lucky."
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Old July 11 2011, 07:51 PM   #118
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Put it this way, if you went and bought a car and the specs said it could sustain a cruising speed of 120mph. You would expect to able to maintain that speed until you ran out of fuel.

Now however if the specs said it had a maximum speed of 120mph, most people would thing ok it can do 120mph, but I wouldn't want to hit that speed for too long a period.
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Old July 11 2011, 09:09 PM   #119
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The writers churn out screenplays and submit them to the production staff. They are read by people who are very familiar with Star Trek but not experts on the smallest of details. Corrections are made for various reasons, the scripts are crafted, finalized, then put into production. Humans are doing this and so there are bound to be errors.

CHAKOTAY: We have a complement of thirty eight photon torpedoes at our disposal, Captain.
JANEWAY: And no way to replace them after they're gone.

Taken out of context, it's a mistake because we clearly see that they don't run out. There are three ways of looking at it:
1) Because it was shown it is canon and conflicts with the rest of the show, it's a permanent "flaw" among many committed by Voyager.
2) It's a mistake because human beings wrote and edited the story. It has to be forgiven as such, so that there's no conflict with the rest of the series. So, interpret it as Janeway intended to say "they're very difficult to replace."
3) It was true at the time it was said. But later on they devise a way to replace them. I know, couldn't the replicators make anything? Even copy an existing photon torpedo? Perhaps there are limitations. But maybe they find a way to replicate the necessary parts and hand assemble them to construct more torpedoes.


When LOST was created by JJ Abrams and crew, it was soon realized as the show progressed that there were MANY details developing over time that had to be tracked. It became an enormous undertaking. So, they assigned someone to be the "librarian" of all LOST phenomenon. He would be in charge of maintaining consistency and continuity within the show. Although LOST finished with many loose threads dangling, they did address a lot of details that might have been more mixed up than they were, because someone was deliberately keeping watch. Overall from what I saw the producers say, the person was a significant help to them.

Why didn't Star Trek practice this? There are so many people who have served on Star Trek productions that are details gurus. Why didn't they designate such a person to serve that role for the series, for writers and other staff to consult with for possible "canon" mistakes on the series? True, there are times when a crucial plot device not being tolerated would invalidate an entire episode, but there are plenty of times when minor changes would keep the story intact but avoid making continuity mistakes. Perhaps the production staff was arrogant and felt they didn't need such assistance. But I think it would have really helped in a number of regards. Of course, the flip side to this would be fewer heated debates on TBBS... we wouldn't want things to get boring around here, would we?
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Why didn't Star Trek practice this? There are so many people who have served on Star Trek productions that are details gurus. Why didn't they designate such a person to serve that role for the series, for writers and other staff to consult with for possible "canon" mistakes on the series?
They did. Richard Arnold, "Star Trek Archivist". It was part of his job description. Richard had been a volunteer tour guide at Paramount, and often did consulting work as an expert fan, until the riches came in from ST IV and Gene Roddenberry convinced Paramount to put him on the payroll. Up until TNG's "Unification", he consulted on all scripts and tie-in manuscripts, nitpicking for continuity errors. But the TNG writers didn't have to listen to him, only the tie-in editors.

But RA made himself very unpopular with many people, esp. the writers of the tie-in books and comics. He was locked out of his office the day after Roddenberry died, as was GR's exec assistant, Susan Sackett. Richard was retained for a few weeks while Paramount sorted GR's belongings. Then Richard was dismissed - and began to work freelance for some tie-in licensees.
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